So ... since some while (week(s)?) back, I changed the archiving of BALUG-Test from (default of) monthly, to yearly, that's all fine and good *except* ... archiving looks a bit funky ... notably changing that setting doesn't retroactively change what's already been archived, so, e.g. on https://temp.balug.org/pipermail/balug-test/ we see something that looks approximatley like: Archive ... August 2017: ... July 2017: ... 2017: ... Which does look kind'a odd (after all, those months are also within the year 2017 - and it also may not be immedately visually apparent as to whether or not the 2017 archive does or doesn't include July 2017 and August 2017. Also, archive generally lists most recent at top, so, having the most recent (year) data at the bottom is also rather odd in its presentation.

So ... let's reload those archives (I'm overdue for some testing of that anyway) ...

$ hostname && id && ls -ld /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/balug-test.mbox/balug-test.mbox /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/balug-test.mbox/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/ && umask balug-sf-lug-v2.balug.org uid=38(list) gid=38(list) groups=38(list) drwxrws--- 12 www-data list 4096 Aug 6 03:11 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/ drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Jul 10 01:13 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/balug-test.mbox/ -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 63407 Aug 19 23:53 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/balug-test.mbox/balug-test.mbox 0077 $ //I'd not altered permissions or used the mailman arch command to (re)load an //archive ... that's the "Debian way" they're set up - at least on //old-stable. Note also that that differs somewhat from what the //mailman check_perms says they ought be ... but regardless it works, //and I'm guestimating for Debian is (moderately?) preferable settings //on those. $ (umask 0114 && /usr/lib/mailman/bin/arch --wipe balug-test) ... And ... https://temp.balug.org/pipermail/balug-test/ that looks *much* better, ... but ... looks can be deceiving, web page looks fine, but web accessible archive bits thereof ... nope - looks like it only has what was already in the "year" archive, but lacks the earlier messages. Ah, ... silly browser (and/or what mailman may have earlier told it regarding caching) ... a reload of the page, and then all looks fine. And ... permissions? Let's see if what resulted looks good/sane in that regard, most notably expecting 'em to match similar archives - or at least be highly compatible (most notably relevant access via the group list).

$ (cd /var/lib/mailman/archives/ && find * -follow -type f ! -mmin +60 -exec ls -ld {} ;) -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 1143 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/index.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 31152 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017.txt -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 5036 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/000003.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 6457 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/000005.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 2185 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/000000.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 3804 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/000007.html lrwxrwxrwx 1 list list 11 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/index.html -> thread.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 3449 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/date.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 7136 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/000001.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 2522 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/000008.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 2740 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/000010.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 8441 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/000002.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 8244 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/000004.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 2553 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/000009.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 7865 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/000006.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 3443 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/subject.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 2416 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/000011.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 3390 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/000012.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 3994 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/thread.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 3075 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/000013.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 3445 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/2017/author.html -rw-rw---- 1 list list 1942 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/database/2017-thread -rw-rw---- 1 list list 19497 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/database/2017-article -rw-rw---- 1 list list 2455 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/database/2017-subject -rw-rw---- 1 list list 1756 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/database/2017-date -rw-rw---- 1 list list 2014 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/database/2017-author -rw-rw---- 1 list list 847 Sep 18 01:07 private/balug-test/pipermail.pck -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 1143 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/index.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 31152 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017.txt -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 5036 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/000003.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 6457 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/000005.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 2185 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/000000.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 3804 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/000007.html lrwxrwxrwx 1 list list 11 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/index.html -> thread.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 3449 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/date.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 7136 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/000001.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 2522 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/000008.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 2740 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/000010.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 8441 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/000002.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 8244 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/000004.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 2553 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/000009.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 7865 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/000006.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 3443 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/subject.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 2416 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/000011.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 3390 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/000012.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 3994 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/thread.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 3075 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/000013.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 3445 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/2017/author.html -rw-rw---- 1 list list 1942 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/database/2017-thread -rw-rw---- 1 list list 19497 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/database/2017-article -rw-rw---- 1 list list 2455 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/database/2017-subject -rw-rw---- 1 list list 1756 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/database/2017-date -rw-rw---- 1 list list 2014 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/database/2017-author -rw-rw---- 1 list list 847 Sep 18 01:07 public/balug-test/pipermail.pck $ //That would, at least at quick glance, appear quite reasonable, and //seems to function okay, etc. //Is it consistent with the other archives (notably in //permissions/ownerships)? $ (cd /var/lib/mailman/archives/ && find */balug-announce -follow -name database -type d -prune -o -type f -exec ls -ld {} ;) -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 1204 Aug 14 01:10 private/balug-announce/index.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 7800 Aug 14 01:10 private/balug-announce/2017-August.txt -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 3552 Aug 14 03:27 private/balug-announce/2017-August.txt.gz -rw-rw---- 1 list list 856 Aug 14 01:10 private/balug-announce/pipermail.pck -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 10651 Aug 14 01:10 private/balug-announce/2017-August/000000.html lrwxrwxrwx 1 list list 11 Aug 14 01:10 private/balug-announce/2017-August/index.html -> thread.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 1751 Aug 14 01:10 private/balug-announce/2017-August/date.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 1745 Aug 14 01:10 private/balug-announce/2017-August/subject.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 1772 Aug 14 01:10 private/balug-announce/2017-August/thread.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 1747 Aug 14 01:10 private/balug-announce/2017-August/author.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 1204 Aug 14 01:10 public/balug-announce/index.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 7800 Aug 14 01:10 public/balug-announce/2017-August.txt -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 3552 Aug 14 03:27 public/balug-announce/2017-August.txt.gz -rw-rw---- 1 list list 856 Aug 14 01:10 public/balug-announce/pipermail.pck -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 10651 Aug 14 01:10 public/balug-announce/2017-August/000000.html lrwxrwxrwx 1 list list 11 Aug 14 01:10 public/balug-announce/2017-August/index.html -> thread.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 1751 Aug 14 01:10 public/balug-announce/2017-August/date.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 1745 Aug 14 01:10 public/balug-announce/2017-August/subject.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 1772 Aug 14 01:10 public/balug-announce/2017-August/thread.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 list list 1747 Aug 14 01:10 public/balug-announce/2017-August/author.html $ //I'd say that all looks quite excellently consistent. Hopefully our //umask value didn't even matter to the arch command, and it simply "did //the right thing" anyway ... but we set a prudent value - in case arch //didn't set it or explicity set permissions. Maybe I'll (further) test //that at some point ... but that's lower on the priority queue. //And ... let's also test delete/add of a message to make sure that //works as we hope and expect ... //and that all tests good, no surprises there. //So ... onto merging into the archives the older raw mbox //bits obtained from DreamHost.com.