I was thinking "we" (one of us "announce" moderators) could send this
out on the "announce" list ... anyone want to add/change anything before
it goes out? If I don't hear otherwise and don't see it (or something
mostly covering/resembling it) sent out within about 24 hrs. or so, I'd
probably go ahead and send it out (might be at least somewhat preferable
if someone else sends it, so I'm not announcing myself :-)). Anyway
for the "announce" list item, I'm proposing (have drafted) what's
shown below - use the line immediately above the first "cut" (8<--) line
as the subject, and use everyting between, but not including the "cut"
lines for the body of the message. Also, once the e-mail has gone
out on the "announce" list (draft of which includes presentation
details on the October meeting), short text blurbs suitable for the
web site can also be found in:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2005-September/00006…
On the web site, there could also be suitable link(s) from such short
text to the URL for the archive copy of the "announce" item that goes
out on the "announce" list.
Perhaps also even include on the web site a small/tiny blurb and link on
yesterday's meeting (to: http://www.digitaltippingpoint.com/).
BALUG news: 2005-10-18 meeting: Shell Programming; and other BALUG news
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BALUG 2005-10-18 meeting presentation: Shell Programming, by Michael Paoli
This presentation promises to be a quite useful, informative,
interesting, well referenced and fast introduction to Bourne (sh) and
compatible [Korn (ksh), POSIX, Bash (bash), ash, etc.] shells.
The presentation will cover a fast, but thorough tour of the shell and
shell programming. It will cover all the way from why one would want to
learn shell, why start with Bourne, etc., how to compactly learn it,
through and including most key features of shell programming, and some
key differences and caveats among the shells, and a collection of
references to help round out leaning about shell programming.
About Michael Paoli, our presenter for this event:
Michael Paoli has been doing UNIX systems administration for well over a
decade, been doing LINUX systems administration for over 7 years, and
has been using and programming Bourne and compatible shells (bash,
etc.) since even earlier than all that. He's also done well received
classes/labs/presentations before, including topics of security, shells
and Logical Volume Manager (LVM).
For meeting time, location, cost (dinner), etc., please see the BALUG
web site:
http://www.balug.org/
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BALUG 2005-09-20 speaker: The Digital Tipping Point, by Christian Einfeldt
The Digital Tipping Point: The Culture Of Freedom In Cyberspace
We had a great presentation by Christian Einfeldt on The Digital Tipping
Point, including lots of information on the movie project, and a 9
minute sample of very impressive material which is likely to be be used,
at least in substantial part, in the film. The Digital Tipping Point is
an open source documentary film project.
"We are approaching a digital tipping point." "One documentary film, the
Digital Tipping Point: the culture of freedom in cyberspace, will peer
into the future to see how this change might come about, and what it
means for humanity."
So, ... just because a BALUG meeting doesn't indicate, or indicate
reasonably well ahead of time that we've got a speaker/presentation,
should not be taken as an indicator that we won't have an exciting,
interesting meeting anyway - and possibly including speaker/presentation.
So, make those meetings! :-)
(Sorry it wasn't better announced/publicized, seems there was probably
a communication error or omission).
http://www.digitaltippingpoint.com/
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BALUG "announce" <balug-announce-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org> moderated
The BALUG "announce" list <balug-announce-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org>
should now be moderated. Hopefully that will keep the list relatively
low traffic and more on-traget for more "important"/newsy BALUG
focused/oriented announcements (e.g. meeting announcements/reminders,
important BALUG news, etc.).
More general BALUG related discussions are of course always welcomed on
the "talk" list <balug-talk-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org>, which remains
"unmoderated" (though one must be a subscriber to the list, to post to
it).
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BALUG "admin" <balug-admin-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org.> archives ...
The BALUG "admin" <balug-admin-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org.> archives are
now open to the public (so one can read/browse those without having to
be a subscriber, search engines can index them, etc.) For the
interested, curious, and/or bored, the "admin" list is focused more
towards the "internal business" and administrivia of BALUG. If you
would like to help out BALUG, or might want to get some ideas on where
we could use some assistance or more volunteerism, that list (and/or its
archives) can often be a good place to start.
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And you're all announcing ... what? ;-)
Could we please try and keep the "talk" traffic on the "talk" list
<balug-talk-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org>
lest we annoy and lose subscribers from the "announce" list - which should,
at least in theory, be relatively low-volume, and mostly relatively
important BALUG related announcements.
Thanks.
Also, suggestion for the BALUG list wranglers:
Can we get the "announce" list moderated? Not that it gets horribly
overused/abused when the "announce" list probably wound't be the optimal
choice for a message to get out, but sometime stuff goes out on "announce"
that can be rather annoying (e.g. overzealous recruiters/agencies sending
out job announcements for positions that aren't related to LINUX and aren't
in the Bay Area). Maybe just get those on the "admin" list, or some
suitable pool of folks as moderators (so that we have "enough" moderators,
so that things that should get passed along don't sit for *too* long).
Anyway, maybe we can also talk more about this at today's BALUG meeting.
Also, the "admin" list - I think I had suggested it before, but can we
go ahead and open up the archives to the public (without requiring
being on the subscriber list). Since folks could always access it
with an e-mail address, I don't see a lot of "value add" by making one
have to subscribe to read the archives. I think it would also be
useful for the archives to be readable so search engines (e.g. Google) could
search and index it, and folks could peruse and/or refer to it. I think
I'd always made the point that stuff there isn't all that horribly hidden
from the public, and hence stuff there should be readable by the public
(if they're so inclined to read administrivia details and such for BALUG
that may often not be all that exciting/interesting). Anyway, just my
thoughts on that (among some others). I still haven't heard any objections
to this suggestion :-).
Quoting Rick Moen <rick(a)linuxmafia.com>:
> Quoting Michael T. Halligan (michael(a)halligan.org):
>
> > Does it always have to be on Tuesdays, and at the Four Seasons?
<snip>
> _______________________________________________
> Balug-announce-balug.org mailing list
> Balug-announce-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org
> http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-announce-balug.org
Mail from balug-talk-balug.org comes in using
"San Francisco Linux Users' Group"
as the real name.
Could someone change it to
"Bay Area Linux Users' Group"
please.
"San Francisco Linux User's Group"
is associated with sf-lug.org.
thanks,
jim
I can logon to balug site but do not have admin status so can not do any
changes. Is this on purpose? If not can/will you change my status?
Larry Platzek larryp(a)inow.com
Ah, ... always more that could be tweaked/improved, but striking me as
more critical among them:
some/many of the links on the main page aren't functional, most notably
including links for meeting location and directions to meeting, presently
giving just: Module phpWiki not available.
Hopefully that can be fixed soon, as the main page doesn't even include
the address of meeting location (though for the resourceful, it gives the
city, name of the restaurant (twice), and, for better or worse, does mention
"downtown").
Probably not as critical as the above, but other things that caught my
attention: the "For time and location details, please check the Calendar."
text should probably get removed, so long as the calendar isn't available.
The LVM related links are also similarly (Module phpWiki not available)
broken. Those are old enough we could probably just pull that stuff off the
page - or replace it with something much smaller and concise, e.g.:
2005-05-17: <A HREF="http://www.rawbw.com/~mp/linux/lvm/balug/">LVM presentation</A>
Anyway, if you could attend to at least the more critical among these things
at your earlies convenience, I'm sure many would appreciate that.
Thanks
And fixing the webmaster contact on the main page would probably be a good idea.
references/excerpts:
http://www.balug.org/
Quoting Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON(a)ludo.dreamhost.com>:
> The original message was received Mon Sep 5 17:18:19 2005
>
> ----- The following address had permanent fatal errors -----
> <webmaster(a)balug.org>: User unknown
>
> Please check message recipient.
>
> [dh2]
>
Okay, I'm confirming I'll do the BALUG presentation 2005-10-18.
We'll need the "VGA" type (DE15) --> NTSC video adapter again, as
before, for our video hookup there. Also microphone/PA availability is
strongly recommended.
Blurbs/description/announcement, etc. I recommend these generally *not*
go out until after our 2005-09-20 meeting, excepting possibly:
o brief inclusion in announcement/reminder for 2005-09-20 BALUG meeting,
o perhaps slight web site update(s) to indicate slight bit that we do
have presentation/speaker lined up for 2005-10-18 BALUG, topic, and
perhaps presenter
o perhaps similar brief mention to other groups/contacts/LUGs/UGs, etc.
Rationale: by not promoting it (much) before 2005-09-20 meeting, we
hopefully avoid detracting (significantly) from the 2005-09-20 meeting -
particularly if we may not have speaker/presentation for the 2005-09-20
meeting.
And various recommended text blurbs - use the material between the cut
(8<--) lines, excluding those lines themselves.
Briefest versions (suitable for tiny mention on web page, etc.)
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BALUG 2005-10-18 meeting presentation: Shell Programming, by Michael Paoli
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for web (or e-mail, etc.) BALUG can of course link to
http://www.balug.org/
(or that URL included with e-mail)
Once the "full" announcement has gone out, the remainder of that tiny
text blurb, e.g. on web page(s), could also link to the URL for the
announcement in the BALUG announce archive.
Compact version (probably more useful after 2005-09-20 meeting and after
more complete 2005-10-18 announcement goes out):
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BALUG 2005-10-18 meeting presentation: Shell Programming, by Michael Paoli
This presentation promises to be a quite useful, informative,
interesting, well referenced and fast introduction to Bourne (sh) and
compatible [Korn (ksh), POSIX, Bash (bash), ash, etc.] shells.
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The links/URLs for the above should probably include:
BALUG --> http://www.balug.org/
and link the remainder of that first line to the URL for the
announcement in the BALUG announce archive (once the announcement has
been sent out, of course).
And the "full" announcement - hopefully someone can send out that text
(again, just between and not including the cut (8<--) lines) quite
shortly after the 2005-09-20 meeting ...
and hopefully someone other than myself can send it out, so it
looks/sounds a hair more professional/objective (also, use the first
line of the body, as the subject line):
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BALUG 2005-10-18 meeting presentation: Shell Programming, by Michael Paoli
This presentation promises to be a quite useful, informative,
interesting, well referenced and fast introduction to Bourne (sh) and
compatible [Korn (ksh), POSIX, Bash (bash), ash, etc.] shells.
The presentation will cover a fast, but thorough tour of the shell and
shell programming. It will cover all the way from why one would want to
learn shell, why start with Bourne, etc., how to compactly learn it,
through and including most key features of shell programming, and some
key differences and caveats among the shells, and a collection of
references to help round out leaning about shell programming.
About Michael Paoli, our presenter for this event:
Michael Paoli has been doing UNIX systems administration for well over a
decade, been doing LINUX systems administration for over 7 years, and
has been using and programming Bourne and compatible shells (bash,
etc.) since even earlier than all that. He's also done well received
classes/labs/presentations before, including topics of security, shells
and Logical Volume Manager (LVM).
For meeting time, location, cost (dinner), etc., please see the BALUG
web site:
http://www.balug.org/
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references/excerpts:
< Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:56:33 -0700
< Reply-to: Michael.Paoli(a)cal.berkeley.edu
< To: Dick Verna <rverna01(a)comcast.net>
< Cc: balug-admin-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org, rverna01 <rverna01(a)inow.com>,
< Larry Platzek <larryp(a)inow.com>
< Subject: 2005-10-18 BALUG presentation? [:-)] {Re: [Balug-admin] A
speaker/presentation for BALUG meeting - on Shell Programming, to be held at the
...}
< Well, not quite confirmed yet, but at the moment it looks rather to quite
< probable I'll be able to do shell presentation at the 2005-10-18 BALUG
< meeting. I'll likely be able to have a confirmation on availability for
< that date within the next several days or so (i.e. probably have update
< and likely confirmation by <~= 2005-09-05). I'd probably also provide some
< suitable text blurbs (e.g. for web site, and draft for announcement(s), etc.)
< at or around that time too.
< Presuming I'm able to confirm, as I likely anticipate,
< I might also suggest for the announce list, when we send out "reminder"
< for the Sept. meeting, we could include a rather to quite brief blurb about
< the Oct. meeting presentation. I'd suggest it be relatively brief so as not
< to detract from the Sept. meeting (e.g. if the Sept. meeting announcement/
< reminder did more to promote the Oct. meeting than the Sept. meeting,
< folks could be relatively discouraged to go to the Sept. meeting - especially
< if we don't have presentation/speaker lined up for Sept. meeting). Then
< a bit after the Sept. meeting, we could send out an announcement having more
< details about the Oct. meeting.
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:12:59 -0700
> From: Dick Verna <rverna01(a)comcast.net>
> To: Michael.Paoli(a)cal.berkeley.edu, Larry Platzek <larryp(a)inow.com>,
> rverna01 <rverna01(a)inow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Balug-admin] A speaker/presentation for BALUG meeting - on Shell
> Programming, to be held at the ...
> Thank you for volunteering to speak. The date for your presentation is
> October 18th, 2005. That is the third Tuesday of the month.
<< Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:48:29 -0700
<< Reply-to: Michael.Paoli(a)cal.berkeley.edu
<< To: balug-admin-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org
<< Subject: A speaker/presentation for BALUG meeting - on Shell Programming, to
be held at the ...
<< Okay, ...
<< An available speaker/presentation that would likely go over well and be
<< rather/quite useful, and perhaps we could draw in a fair (to largeish?) crowd
<< of folks, ...
<< Shell Programming (or Shell Scripting or ... anyway, whatever precise title
<< gets picked) ...
<< I think last time, at least prior to this month, that was brought up /
<< mentioned / suggested for a meeting presentation, it was well under a
<< year after we'd had quite similar (at least in terms of general topic)
<< speaker and presentation:
<< http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2004-August/002877.ht…
<< (why that was on the talk list, and apparently not the announce list is
<< another matter)
<< and I thought it would be rather redundant to cover something rather to quite
<< similar so soon, ... but now, ... it's been, ... well, it'll be about a
<< year by this September's BALUG meeting, and over a year by the October
<< meeting.
<< Anyway, the presentation and approach, etc. is comparatively different than
<< Mark G. Sobell's, so even if the topic's been done for a presentation as
<< recently as 2004-09-21, it's sufficiently different in delivery and materials,
<< etc. that it shouldn't be horribly redundant for those that may have also
<< caught the 2004-09-21 presentation.
<< Let's see, ... and when, ... 2005-09-20 or 2005-10-18 or later may be
<< possibilities, ... but may not be able to confirm date until approximately
<< early-ish September.
<< Feedback on the materials and such have been quite positive, e.g. including
<< quotes such as: "I've attended other scripting classes, one taught by a
<< professional instructor and one by a PhD. Neither of these compare to what
<< <presenter> was able to accomplish." (that was for a compact one-day
<< presentation and mini-lab on that topic and those materials by presenter).
<< Oh, ... and what presenter? That Michael Paoli person again, a.k.a.
<< yours truly.
<< Anyway, I've done presentation (and mini-lab) as a dayish long thing (I think
<< it was <~=6 hours, including lab time and exercises), ... have also done
<< preparations before for doing it as presentations somewhere in the range of
<< an hour or two. Anyway, without "lab" and exercises and such (but perhaps
<< with some tiny mini-demos) I could whittle and squeeze it to within <~=75
<< minutes (which is about as much "real" presentation time as we end up with at
<< BALUG meetings).
<< So, ... yes, I can certainly do a presentation on shell scripting/programming,
<< but mostly a matter of confirming a suitable BALUG meeting date, and being able
<< to confirm it sufficiently well in advance as to be rather to quite useful.
<< Anyway, I can put together text that can be used for an "announcement" to be
<< sent out (and web page blurbs, etc.) when we've got a confirmed "go" date.
<< http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2004-August/002877.ht…
<< http://lists.balug.org/private.cgi/balug-admin-balug.org/2005-April/000027.…
<< http://lists.balug.org/private.cgi/balug-admin-balug.org/2005-May/000028.ht…
<< http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2005-May/000032.h…
<< http://www.rawbw.com/~mp/linux/lvm/balug/
Uhm, ... (rearranging quotes a bit) ... that's nice, but did you read what
I wrote? :-) (okay, so it was a bit long) ... I can at least pencil myself
in for that date (2005-10-18), but may not be able to confirm that date for
a fair while yet. Perhaps I'll know quite a bit more about my schedule in the
upcoming weeks, ... but then again some of it may not be settled for a fair
while yet.
Nov., Dec., Jan., Feb. BALUG meetings are meeting dates I could almost
certainly make. Sept., Oct. (and to a lesser extent Mar. - Jun. 2006) are
still rather uncertain.
Quoting Dick Verna:
> Thank you for volunteering to speak. The date for your presentation is
> October 18th, 2005. That is the third Tuesday of the month.
>
> Dick Verna
> Michael Paoli wrote:
> >The most noteworthy question (or question mark) is when. I've got a
> wildcard
> >on my calendar that might land most any place mid-September through
> October
> >on my calendar at present, so might not be able to commit to September or
> >October BALUG meeting date until perhaps as late as nearly mid-September
> for
> >September, and might not know until later for October.
> >November, December, January, and February BALUG meeting dates would likely
> >be safe dates to target if we wanted to schedule it that far in advance
> (I'd
> >have to double check my calendar, but most likely those dates are all
> clear
> >(or clearable) at this point in time.)
>
> >Okay, ...
> >
> >An available speaker/presentation that would likely go over well and be
> >rather/quite useful, and perhaps we could draw in a fair (to largeish?)
> crowd
> >of folks, ...
> >
> >Shell Programming (or Shell Scripting or ... anyway, whatever precise
> title
> >gets picked) ...
> >
> >I think last time, at least prior to this month, that was brought up /
> >mentioned / suggested for a meeting presentation, it was well under a
> >year after we'd had quite similar (at least in terms of general topic)
> >speaker and presentation:
> >http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2004-August/002877.ht…
> >(why that was on the talk list, and apparently not the announce list is
> >another matter)
> >and I thought it would be rather redundant to cover something rather to
> quite
> >similar so soon, ... but now, ... it's been, ... well, it'll be about a
> >year by this September's BALUG meeting, and over a year by the October
> >meeting.
> >
> >Anyway, the presentation and approach, etc. is comparatively different
> than
> >Mark G. Sobell's, so even if the topic's been done for a presentation as
> >recently as 2004-09-21, it's sufficiently different in delivery and
> materials,
> >etc. that it shouldn't be horribly redundant for those that may have also
> >caught the 2004-09-21 presentation.
> >
> >Let's see, ... and when, ... 2005-09-20 or 2005-10-18 or later may be
> >possibilities, ... but may not be able to confirm date until approximately
> >early-ish September.
> >
> >Feedback on the materials and such have been quite positive, e.g.
> including
> >quotes such as: "I've attended other scripting classes, one taught by a
> >professional instructor and one by a PhD. Neither of these compare to
> what
> ><presenter> was able to accomplish." (that was for a compact one-day
> >presentation and mini-lab on that topic and those materials by presenter).
> >
> >Oh, ... and what presenter? That Michael Paoli person again, a.k.a.
> >yours truly.
> >
> >Anyway, I've done presentation (and mini-lab) as a dayish long thing (I
> think
> >it was <~=6 hours, including lab time and exercises), ... have also done
> >preparations before for doing it as presentations somewhere in the range
> of
> >an hour or two. Anyway, without "lab" and exercises and such (but perhaps
> >with some tiny mini-demos) I could whittle and squeeze it to within <~=75
> >minutes (which is about as much "real" presentation time as we end up with
> at
> >BALUG meetings).
> >
> >
> >So, ... anyway, what do you all think regarding cut-off date for
> announcement
> >and such? Certainly more lead time is better to let folks know and plan
> and
> >mark their calendars and such, but a reasonable yay or nay deadline date
> to
> >plan for and announce a speaker? ... maybe we want to try and answer that
> >question in general - then perhaps answering the specific case at hand
> follows
> >logically from the general answer.
> >
> >I suppose in cases where leading right up to the meeting, we don't have a
> >speaker/presenter lined up, we could still have someone show up relatively
> >last minute as available to do a presentation ... but probably need at
> *least*
> >a few days for most folks to even catch the announcement and possibly show
> up,
> >and preferably week(s) or more for most folks that would want to come to
> any
> >specific presentation to be able to mark and/or clear/arrange their
> calendars
> >so that they'd be able to come. And where we have opportunity to schedule
> and
> >announce a speaker/presenter reasonably well in advance, as opposed to
> quite
> >last minute(/hour/day/...) arrangements, it's probably much preferable to
> get
> >them scheduled and announced suitably in advance.
> >
> >So, ... yes, I can certainly do a presentation on shell
> scripting/programming,
> >but mostly a matter of confirming a suitable BALUG meeting date, and being
> able
> >to confirm it sufficiently well in advance as to be rather to quite
> useful.
> >
> >Anyway, I can put together text that can be used for an "announcement" to
> be
> >sent out (and web page blurbs, etc.) when we've got a confirmed "go" date.
> >
> >Maybe we could even manage to have someone other than the presenter send
> the
> >announce e-mail out when such a time comes - might at least look a hair
> more
> >objective. :-)
> >
> >references/excerpts:
> >http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2004-August/002877.ht…
> >http://lists.balug.org/private.cgi/balug-admin-balug.org/2005-April/000027.…
> >http://lists.balug.org/private.cgi/balug-admin-balug.org/2005-May/000028.ht…
> >http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2005-May/000032.h…
> >http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2005-May/003288.html
> >http://www.rawbw.com/~mp/linux/lvm/balug/
> >(I still have some tweaks/updates to upload to stuff around that URL
> above)
Okay, ...
An available speaker/presentation that would likely go over well and be
rather/quite useful, and perhaps we could draw in a fair (to largeish?) crowd
of folks, ...
Shell Programming (or Shell Scripting or ... anyway, whatever precise title
gets picked) ...
I think last time, at least prior to this month, that was brought up /
mentioned / suggested for a meeting presentation, it was well under a
year after we'd had quite similar (at least in terms of general topic)
speaker and presentation:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2004-August/002877.ht…
(why that was on the talk list, and apparently not the announce list is
another matter)
and I thought it would be rather redundant to cover something rather to quite
similar so soon, ... but now, ... it's been, ... well, it'll be about a
year by this September's BALUG meeting, and over a year by the October
meeting.
Anyway, the presentation and approach, etc. is comparatively different than
Mark G. Sobell's, so even if the topic's been done for a presentation as
recently as 2004-09-21, it's sufficiently different in delivery and materials,
etc. that it shouldn't be horribly redundant for those that may have also
caught the 2004-09-21 presentation.
Let's see, ... and when, ... 2005-09-20 or 2005-10-18 or later may be
possibilities, ... but may not be able to confirm date until approximately
early-ish September.
Feedback on the materials and such have been quite positive, e.g. including
quotes such as: "I've attended other scripting classes, one taught by a
professional instructor and one by a PhD. Neither of these compare to what
<presenter> was able to accomplish." (that was for a compact one-day
presentation and mini-lab on that topic and those materials by presenter).
Oh, ... and what presenter? That Michael Paoli person again, a.k.a.
yours truly.
Anyway, I've done presentation (and mini-lab) as a dayish long thing (I think
it was <~=6 hours, including lab time and exercises), ... have also done
preparations before for doing it as presentations somewhere in the range of
an hour or two. Anyway, without "lab" and exercises and such (but perhaps
with some tiny mini-demos) I could whittle and squeeze it to within <~=75
minutes (which is about as much "real" presentation time as we end up with at
BALUG meetings).
The most noteworthy question (or question mark) is when. I've got a wildcard
on my calendar that might land most any place mid-September through October
on my calendar at present, so might not be able to commit to September or
October BALUG meeting date until perhaps as late as nearly mid-September for
September, and might not know until later for October.
November, December, January, and February BALUG meeting dates would likely
be safe dates to target if we wanted to schedule it that far in advance (I'd
have to double check my calendar, but most likely those dates are all clear
(or clearable) at this point in time.)
So, ... anyway, what do you all think regarding cut-off date for announcement
and such? Certainly more lead time is better to let folks know and plan and
mark their calendars and such, but a reasonable yay or nay deadline date to
plan for and announce a speaker? ... maybe we want to try and answer that
question in general - then perhaps answering the specific case at hand follows
logically from the general answer.
I suppose in cases where leading right up to the meeting, we don't have a
speaker/presenter lined up, we could still have someone show up relatively
last minute as available to do a presentation ... but probably need at *least*
a few days for most folks to even catch the announcement and possibly show up,
and preferably week(s) or more for most folks that would want to come to any
specific presentation to be able to mark and/or clear/arrange their calendars
so that they'd be able to come. And where we have opportunity to schedule and
announce a speaker/presenter reasonably well in advance, as opposed to quite
last minute(/hour/day/...) arrangements, it's probably much preferable to get
them scheduled and announced suitably in advance.
So, ... yes, I can certainly do a presentation on shell scripting/programming,
but mostly a matter of confirming a suitable BALUG meeting date, and being able
to confirm it sufficiently well in advance as to be rather to quite useful.
Anyway, I can put together text that can be used for an "announcement" to be
sent out (and web page blurbs, etc.) when we've got a confirmed "go" date.
Maybe we could even manage to have someone other than the presenter send the
announce e-mail out when such a time comes - might at least look a hair more
objective. :-)
references/excerpts:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2004-August/002877.ht…http://lists.balug.org/private.cgi/balug-admin-balug.org/2005-April/000027.…http://lists.balug.org/private.cgi/balug-admin-balug.org/2005-May/000028.ht…http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2005-May/000032.h…http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2005-May/003288.htmlhttp://www.rawbw.com/~mp/linux/lvm/balug/
(I still have some tweaks/updates to upload to stuff around that URL above)