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need to phone?
by Larry Platzek 20 Oct '05

20 Oct '05

If anyone on the balug-admin list really has the need to phone Dick Verna he can be reached at (408)921-1480. Yes, I asked Dick before doing this posting. Do not abuse, but use wisely. Larry Platzek larryp(a)inow.com

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Free and/or cheap hosting for non-profits/user groups? ... and good?
by Michael Paoli 19 Oct '05

19 Oct '05

Anyway, topic was brought up about free and/or cheap (and good) hosting and/or alternatives thereof (e.g. balug web site / host and/or other potentially interested organizations and/or groups). Anyway, I ran across this some weeks/months back. I don't know how good it is or may be or if it's good, but certainly at least on the surface it would sound and appear quite good. Anyway, this might be a possibility, ... there certainly may be others and/or similar opportunities (if I recall correctly, I think I may have noticed this and tracked it down from some bay area user group being hosted there, and then managed to peek at the site a bit and bookmark it). references: California Community Colocatoin Project (CCCP) Free Colocation For Individuals & Non-Profits! http://communitycolo.net/

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Re: [Balug-admin] [Balug-announce] October 18 2005 meeting, etc.
by Michael Paoli 18 Oct '05

18 Oct '05

Well, I'm rather certain I asked roughly week(s) or so ago on our "admin" list <balug-admin-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org> if we'd gotten confirmation on the "regular" meeting room, would have microphone, etc. I never got a response on that. I'd give a URL(s) to that item in the archives, but at present lists.balug.org. isn't pingable and isn't responding on TCP port 80. I called the restaurant this Monday afternoon asking if BALUG had the 3rd Floor Banquet Facility: "The China Room" available and reserved for our regular meeting. Well, perhaps with some language issues and confusion, I seemed to get something that implied we had the room, but perhaps they might've got confused and thought I was some other party trying to reserve the room, or who knows what, ... though I did clearly and repeatedly mention and ask regarding BALUG, and regular monthly meeting we usually have in the 3rd Floor Banquet Facility: "The China Room", etc. If we're sending relatively last minute stuff to the "announce" list that we don't have the larger room, and may not have AV capabilities and microphone and such, ... we might (rightly or wrongly) be scaring people off. Of course if we show up with 40 or more people (not infeasible, but 25 to 30 is probably more probable), that could be a fair bit of an "issue" if it is in fact the case that we don't have the 3rd Floor Banquet Facility: "The China Room" available (and AV hookup and microphone). Okay, ... now lists.balug.org is responding again, here's the URL where I asked earlier: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2005-September/00008… This meeting's been fairly well publicized, so the turnout could be on the largish side (presumably a topic a fair number of folks are interested in, reasonable timing of earlier announcements to the BALUG announce lists, some mention on other lists, etc. ... I think I've also got at least 3 co-workers that I know of that are planning to attend too). So, ... what can we do to reduce these communication SNAFUs?, e.g.: Last month there was nothing on the web site or sent to the lists about speaker (well, except one item that went out less than 7 hours before the meeting), so when I sent earlier "final" announcement out prior to the Sept. meeting, it indicated we had no speaker - then we have speaker show up at the meeting, indicating he'd confirmed apparently quite a while earlier. At the Sept. meeting, that we had a speaker was apparently a complete surprise to everyone (except the speaker himself) who showed up at the Sept. meeting. At the Sept. meeting, apparently no one - or at least no one that showed up at the meeting, was aware that the 3rd Floor Banquet Facility: "The China Room" wouldn't be available to us for that meeting (apparently they were working on some remodeling up there). I asked weeks ago (2005-09-30) regarding Oct. meeting and if we'll have 3rd Floor Banquet Facility: "The China Room" (and microphone and AV stuff). Until hours ago, I'd gotten no e-mail that addressed that. Based on observations that, excepting once, we'd always had our meeting on the 3rd floor, and prior assurances that we'd not be without microphone availability again - and also what response I got when I called the restaurant this Monday afternoon, I was working on the presumption that we'd have the 3rd Floor Banquet Facility: "The China Room", microphone, etc., available to us. Then less than 24 hours to the meeting, and we've got e-mail going out, including to the announce list, stating that we don't have the 3rd Floor Banquet Facility: "The China Room". references/excerpts: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2005-September/00… http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2005-September/00… http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2005-September/00008… http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2005-October/0000… http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2005-October/003509.h… Quoting Larry Platzek <larryp(a)inow.com>: > Dick Verna recieved a call this evening saying our usuall meeting room > will not be available for the October meeting. We can meet in the main > dining area. I know may/will have impact on A/V use I hope will still work > without the projector. I think can still have a good meeting and see > those who make it to the meeting! > > We do have important change information, Will post after the meeting for > those who do not make it to the meeting.

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Re: [Balug-admin] BALUG (pre)announcement/reminder
by Michael Paoli 14 Oct '05

14 Oct '05

Well, we're getting relatively close to meeting time. I was thinking I'd send a reminder to the announce list. Any other news or items/updates, etc., I should add to or include with that? Anyway, I'd like to get the "reminder" out rather/quite soon (like say, within 24 hours). If there's something that doesn't make it in that "announcement" we could probably catch it on one after the 2005-10-18 meeting (unless it's so time critical or important it should go out sooner). Do we have anything yet set up or confirmed for the Nov. meeting regarding speaker/presentation? Any date changes for the Nov. and/or Dec. meetings due to timing relative to holidays or anything like that? I know USENIX would also like various user groups to mention the upcoming LISA conference - I could include a tiny blurb on that (with relevant link where one could get all the details if interested to know more). Also, hopefully we're all set for 2005-10-18 meeting with our "regular" room location, and video adapter thingy and microphone set-up - has anyone confirmed all that?

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The Bay Area Super User Group Meeting (BaySUG '05) November 12, 2005, Mountain View, CA
by Michael Paoli 06 Oct '05

06 Oct '05

The Bay Area Super User Group Meeting (BaySUG '05) November 12, 2005, Mountain View, CA http://www.usenix.org/events/baysug05/ e.g.: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/oakland/2005-October/001679.html I'd be interested in going, but not (at least yet) sure I'd be able to make it. If I'm able to make it, I might be able to "represent" one or more groups if they're not already represented/covered, and probably in about this order of precedence (relative to my proportional involvement (or lack thereof) in them): Berkeley Unix User Group (BUUG) http://www.buug.org/ Bay Area Linux Users Group (BALUG) http://www.balug.org/ Bay Area Debian (BAD) http://bad.debian.net/ Oakland Perl Mongers / Oakland Perl Users Group (OPUG) http://www.metaart.org/opug/ BUUG meetings are typically (but certainly not always) rather small, though the mailing list is a pretty good size. There are only a few of us that are rather to quite regular BUUG meeting attendees (myself among them), so I could probably cover BUUG pretty well if I'm able to make it. It sounds like BALUG is probably already well covered/represented. It's also quite probable there are active/interested Debian / BAD folks in/around the South Bay that may be able to cover BAD representation better than I could. There are probably folks that could better cover Oakland Perl Mongers / Oakland Perl Users Group (OPUG), but if not (e.g. due to meeting date conflict) I might be able to assist with representation there. references: http://www.usenix.org/events/baysug05/ http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/oakland/2005-October/001679.html http://www.usenix.org/events/baysug05/ugs.html Berkeley Unix User Group (BUUG) http://www.buug.org/ Bay Area Linux Users Group (BALUG) http://www.balug.org/ Bay Area Debian (BAD) http://bad.debian.net/ Oakland Perl Mongers / Oakland Perl Users Group (OPUG) http://www.metaart.org/opug/

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October meeting administrivia
by Michael Paoli 02 Oct '05

02 Oct '05

For the October meeting, will we be able to meet in our regular spot, the 3rd Floor Banquet Facility: "The China Room", and have our video hook-up and adapter, and microphone set-up available? The September meeting was a bit awkward, as that room wasn't available to us then (they were doing some remodeling or something like that). We may have a fair to large(ish) turnout for the October meeting. I'd guestimate we'll easily take up 2 tables, probably 3, ... and maybe even 4 or more (more than 4 doesn't seem quite so probable to me, but if many to all the folks that have said they'd be interested and want to come and/or could/would find large numbers of folks that would be wanting to come, we could land in the 4+ table range).

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BALUG web site updates/tweaks
by Michael Paoli 23 Sep '05

23 Sep '05

Now that the announcement for next meeting has gone out, can someone tweak the BALUG web page a bit. Although I'd be flattered if someone thought: "Michael Paoli will be doing a presentation." would itself generate a big draw of interested folks, I'd guestimate most folks seeing that on the BALUG page would more likely wonder who or what is a "Michael Paoli" and what is the presentation on? Anyway, suitable suggested "briefest" and "compact" suggested text blurbs are available here: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2005-September/00006… and also reproduced a bit further below. I might suggest using either and/or both of those suggested blurbs (or some reasonable approximation thereof), and linking it to the archived announcement: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2005-September/00… so folks could follow that link and read more of the details there. Briefest versions (suitable for tiny mention on web page, etc.) 8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<-- BALUG 2005-10-18 meeting presentation: Shell Programming, by Michael Paoli 8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<-- Compact version (probably more useful after 2005-09-20 meeting and after more complete 2005-10-18 announcement goes out): 8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<-- BALUG 2005-10-18 meeting presentation: Shell Programming, by Michael Paoli This presentation promises to be a quite useful, informative, interesting, well referenced and fast introduction to Bourne (sh) and compatible [Korn (ksh), POSIX, Bash (bash), ash, etc.] shells. 8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--

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[Balug-admin] Re: BALUG news: 2005-10-18 meeting: Shell Programming; and other BALUG news
by Michael Paoli 23 Sep '05

23 Sep '05

Looks pretty good. Thanks for getting it out. references/excerpts: Quoting Larry Platzek <larryp(a)inow.com>: > Subject: BALUG news: 2005-10-18 meeting: Shell Programming; and other BALUG news http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2005-September/00…

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draft for "announce"
by Michael Paoli 22 Sep '05

22 Sep '05

I was thinking "we" (one of us "announce" moderators) could send this out on the "announce" list ... anyone want to add/change anything before it goes out? If I don't hear otherwise and don't see it (or something mostly covering/resembling it) sent out within about 24 hrs. or so, I'd probably go ahead and send it out (might be at least somewhat preferable if someone else sends it, so I'm not announcing myself :-)). Anyway for the "announce" list item, I'm proposing (have drafted) what's shown below - use the line immediately above the first "cut" (8<--) line as the subject, and use everyting between, but not including the "cut" lines for the body of the message. Also, once the e-mail has gone out on the "announce" list (draft of which includes presentation details on the October meeting), short text blurbs suitable for the web site can also be found in: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2005-September/00006… On the web site, there could also be suitable link(s) from such short text to the URL for the archive copy of the "announce" item that goes out on the "announce" list. Perhaps also even include on the web site a small/tiny blurb and link on yesterday's meeting (to: http://www.digitaltippingpoint.com/). BALUG news: 2005-10-18 meeting: Shell Programming; and other BALUG news 8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BALUG 2005-10-18 meeting presentation: Shell Programming, by Michael Paoli This presentation promises to be a quite useful, informative, interesting, well referenced and fast introduction to Bourne (sh) and compatible [Korn (ksh), POSIX, Bash (bash), ash, etc.] shells. The presentation will cover a fast, but thorough tour of the shell and shell programming. It will cover all the way from why one would want to learn shell, why start with Bourne, etc., how to compactly learn it, through and including most key features of shell programming, and some key differences and caveats among the shells, and a collection of references to help round out leaning about shell programming. About Michael Paoli, our presenter for this event: Michael Paoli has been doing UNIX systems administration for well over a decade, been doing LINUX systems administration for over 7 years, and has been using and programming Bourne and compatible shells (bash, etc.) since even earlier than all that. He's also done well received classes/labs/presentations before, including topics of security, shells and Logical Volume Manager (LVM). For meeting time, location, cost (dinner), etc., please see the BALUG web site: http://www.balug.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BALUG 2005-09-20 speaker: The Digital Tipping Point, by Christian Einfeldt The Digital Tipping Point: The Culture Of Freedom In Cyberspace We had a great presentation by Christian Einfeldt on The Digital Tipping Point, including lots of information on the movie project, and a 9 minute sample of very impressive material which is likely to be be used, at least in substantial part, in the film. The Digital Tipping Point is an open source documentary film project. "We are approaching a digital tipping point." "One documentary film, the Digital Tipping Point: the culture of freedom in cyberspace, will peer into the future to see how this change might come about, and what it means for humanity." So, ... just because a BALUG meeting doesn't indicate, or indicate reasonably well ahead of time that we've got a speaker/presentation, should not be taken as an indicator that we won't have an exciting, interesting meeting anyway - and possibly including speaker/presentation. So, make those meetings! :-) (Sorry it wasn't better announced/publicized, seems there was probably a communication error or omission). http://www.digitaltippingpoint.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BALUG "announce" <balug-announce-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org> moderated The BALUG "announce" list <balug-announce-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org> should now be moderated. Hopefully that will keep the list relatively low traffic and more on-traget for more "important"/newsy BALUG focused/oriented announcements (e.g. meeting announcements/reminders, important BALUG news, etc.). More general BALUG related discussions are of course always welcomed on the "talk" list <balug-talk-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org>, which remains "unmoderated" (though one must be a subscriber to the list, to post to it). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BALUG "admin" <balug-admin-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org.> archives ... The BALUG "admin" <balug-admin-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org.> archives are now open to the public (so one can read/browse those without having to be a subscriber, search engines can index them, etc.) For the interested, curious, and/or bored, the "admin" list is focused more towards the "internal business" and administrivia of BALUG. If you would like to help out BALUG, or might want to get some ideas on where we could use some assistance or more volunteerism, that list (and/or its archives) can often be a good place to start. 8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--8<--

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Re: [Balug-announce] --> Talk ... etc.
by Michael Paoli 21 Sep '05

21 Sep '05

And you're all announcing ... what? ;-) Could we please try and keep the "talk" traffic on the "talk" list <balug-talk-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org> lest we annoy and lose subscribers from the "announce" list - which should, at least in theory, be relatively low-volume, and mostly relatively important BALUG related announcements. Thanks. Also, suggestion for the BALUG list wranglers: Can we get the "announce" list moderated? Not that it gets horribly overused/abused when the "announce" list probably wound't be the optimal choice for a message to get out, but sometime stuff goes out on "announce" that can be rather annoying (e.g. overzealous recruiters/agencies sending out job announcements for positions that aren't related to LINUX and aren't in the Bay Area). Maybe just get those on the "admin" list, or some suitable pool of folks as moderators (so that we have "enough" moderators, so that things that should get passed along don't sit for *too* long). Anyway, maybe we can also talk more about this at today's BALUG meeting. Also, the "admin" list - I think I had suggested it before, but can we go ahead and open up the archives to the public (without requiring being on the subscriber list). Since folks could always access it with an e-mail address, I don't see a lot of "value add" by making one have to subscribe to read the archives. I think it would also be useful for the archives to be readable so search engines (e.g. Google) could search and index it, and folks could peruse and/or refer to it. I think I'd always made the point that stuff there isn't all that horribly hidden from the public, and hence stuff there should be readable by the public (if they're so inclined to read administrivia details and such for BALUG that may often not be all that exciting/interesting). Anyway, just my thoughts on that (among some others). I still haven't heard any objections to this suggestion :-). Quoting Rick Moen <rick(a)linuxmafia.com>: > Quoting Michael T. Halligan (michael(a)halligan.org): > > > Does it always have to be on Tuesdays, and at the Four Seasons? <snip> > _______________________________________________ > Balug-announce-balug.org mailing list > Balug-announce-balug.org(a)lists.balug.org > http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-announce-balug.org

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