here's the bounce-back data generated from my clicking the balug.org Webmaster link at the bottom of the page.
email To: field was
To: webperson <nospam>@balug.org
Begin forwarded message:
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem MAILER-DAEMON@smtp.well.com Date: October 6, 2006 11:10:42 AM PDT To: jim@well.com Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details
The original message was received at Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:10:42 -0700 (PDT) from dsl081-061-186.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.61.186]
----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<nospam> (reason: 550 5.1.1 <nospam@mail.well.com>... User unknown) (expanded from: <nospam>)
----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mail.well.com:
RCPT To:nospam@mail.well.com
<<< 550 5.1.1 nospam@mail.well.com... User unknown 550 5.1.1 <nospam>... User unknown Reporting-MTA: dns; smtp.well.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; dsl081-061-186.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net Arrival-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:10:42 -0700 (PDT)
Final-Recipient: RFC822; nospam@smtp.well.com X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; nospam@mail.well.com Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.well.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.1.1 nospam@mail.well.com... User unknown Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:10:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: jim stockford jim@well.com Date: October 6, 2006 11:14:17 AM PDT To: webperson <nospam>@balug.org Subject: request registration help
upon registering at the balug.org site, I got an error message--some api call problem. upon re-registering, I got a message that the email address ( jim@well.com ) was already registered.
username jim.stockford email jim@well.com
my guess is that the original registration partially succeeded, enough to queer subsequent tries but not enough for success.
Ah, ... yes, ... perhaps that's something we should change.
I noticed that on at least the main web page we've got a few mailto: links where the e-mail address is ... uhm, shall we say tweaked a bit apparently in the interest/intent of being more spam resistant. This may reduce the occurrence of e-mail addresses getting spammed, but it also has the downside that for anyone that just uses the link directly (e.g. "clicks"/selects it and expects it to work) ... well, it doesn't work and fails miserably, and this can be baffeling for someone who's not very aware of exactly what's going on and why it's "broken" (as far as they're concerned, and technically not a valid e-mail address), and for even those more aware of what's going on, it can be somewhat to rather annoying, or at least a bit of a nuisance (e.g. one might accidentally forget to "correct" the e-mail address before sending, or might not notice it and send to invalid address, or one might make a typo or cut out one too few or too many characters when "correcting" the e-mail address before sending).
I also notice both Dick and Larry have their e-mail addresses on the main page ... each of them appearing exactly twice, and once each with such "spam protection", and also each once with no such protection ... so I really don't see reason to have spam protected versions there when the "unprotected" (and functional :-)) e-mail addresses are also there and directly linked ... and by now those addresses have probably been thoroughly "harvested" anyway (and even if that weren't the case, probably doesn't make sense to have both the direct functional, and munged versions of each on the same page).
So, ... yes, ... it's been noticed, ... question(s) is(/are) what exactly do we want to do about e-mail addresses (especially on the main web page).
There are also questions about e-mail aliases, e.g.: webperson at balug.org and exactly where that goes to ... not sure exactly where within BALUG that is setup and maintained.
Rick Moen also brought up point earlier about e-mail addresses on the mailing lists (those used for contact/administration). Having direct e-mail addresses, rather than some alias, makes things much more clear as to where such e-mail goes. The only downside, or potential downside I've noticed with that, however, is in the list information, one then sees those e-mail addresses directly - even if there are several of them, e.g. as can be seen towards the bottom of: http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-announce-balug.org "list run by " ... Hmmm, glancing at that again, however, I notice the mailto: is for -owner@..., so perhaps there's a way to tweak the configuration so that instead, it would also just display the -owner@..., instead of the individual e-mails (and then presumably the individual e-mails would only be "visible" somewhere within the list administration interface).
Quoting jim stockford:
here's the bounce-back data generated from my clicking the balug.org Webmaster link at the bottom of the page.
email To: field was
To: webperson <nospam>@balug.org