Quoting "Rick Moen" rick@linuxmafia.com:
Quoting Michael Paoli (Michael.Paoli@cal.berkeley.edu):
I'll also update http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-announce-balug.org to make [1] a bit more clear (it's already quite clear on http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-talk-balug.org and http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-admin-balug.org ).
Intending no criticism, here, Michael, but I'll be curious to see what you'll be making a bit more clear.
It was perhaps subtle enough one might not even notice. Anyway, on: http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-announce-balug.org I added (note also placement, emphapsis, and link used in the above) text: " (If you're subscribed to other BALUG list(s), but not this one we may subscribe you! See: BALUG-announce-do-not-auto-add.html if you want to be exempted from that and/or for additional related information.) " ... mostly just to round out covering the bases and for preventive maintenance purposes - e.g. scenario where someone's subscribed to "announce" and also subscribed to other BALUG list(s) - so they're not, perhaps repeatedly, surprised finding themselves resubscribed to "announce". It's covered rather/quite well elsewhere, ... but folks tend to forget. Not much of an issue yet, as the auto-add thing isn't yet fully automated (once I have the data - which I gather once in a while anyway for backup purposes (typically about monthly or so) - run a script, paste two places on the "mass subscribe" form, and the relevant folk(s) are added to "announce").
One reason not to try to make Mailman listinfo pages "a bit more clear" about unsubscribing is, in my experience, if you overexplain, people tend to think you're not serious, which then encourages them to say things like "unsubscribe me; I tried and it doesn't work."
Yes, point well taken (and you've made the point well before, too :-)). I tried to keep the additions/changes relatively minimalist, appropriately placed, easily referencing (but not directly including) details as appropriate (done via a link), and with the appropriate emphasis on key point(s).