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BALUG list archives are (supposed to be!) *publicly* archived
by Michael Paoli 24 Jul '07

24 Jul '07

As discussed on the lists before (and reasons given, etc.) the BALUG lists are to be publicly archived. Looks like quite recently someone or something changed that ... anyway, I've changed them back to being publicly archived again.

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fortune cookie themed logo ...
by Michael Paoli 22 Jul '07

22 Jul '07

So, I was thinking ...: http://www.new.balug.org/images/balug/logo_fortune_cookie.gif Not too radically different, but work in the fortune cookie, retain the Four Seas Restaurant logo, ... I was thinking put it on the BALUG site (in place of the "regular" logo) from 2007-08-06 (first day of LinuxWorld - conference & on-site registration open that day, Expo opens the following day), and have it up there through ... 2007-09-06 ... that would give it a full month, and span a BALUG meeting. I was thinking perhaps put the image up as an image map, and having the portion including and closely around the fortune cookie part of the image be a link to a page giving more information on why we did the fortune cookie, contribution acknowledgements, etc.

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Fortune cookies, etc.
by Michael Paoli 22 Jul '07

22 Jul '07

In case you didn't see it, I did throw open some of the fortune cookie "discussion" to the "talk" list: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-talk-balug.org/2007-July/003962.html I figure we may get some good/excellent ideas on exactly what to print from that list, and we might round up some more contributors on the funding (I also set up separate off-list e-mail alias for contribution pledge stuff). The more administrivial details, can of course, be "discussed" on the "admin" list (or off-list when appropriate).

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Fortune cookies, etc.
by Michael Paoli 19 Jul '07

19 Jul '07

Fortune cookies, etc. Well, between 2007-07-17 and 2007-07-18, I managed to make several calls following up on recommended bakeries for having fortune cookies made up with custom BALUG message inside them. Here's a (legible) write-up from my notes and associated memory: Golden Gate Fortune Cookies Co. 56 Ross Alley San Francisco, CA 94108-1204 1-415-781-3956 just got data (modem?) answers 2007-07-17 ... much better 2007-07-18 1-415-781-3956 --> call 1-415-399-9129 ask for Jennifer individual wrap (I asked for pricing on individual wrap - I figure if we're passing them out at LinuxWorld we'd almost certainly want them individually wrapped) cookie + printing costs ... individual wrap $20 per 100 cookies (doesn't include printing) printing costs (custom message, same message in all cookies - I figure we can probably do the same message in all cookies - simpler, possibly less expensive, and folks will be less inclined to hoard the cookies for their "different" fortunes if they've all got the same message inside). $35.00 for qty. 500 $75.00 for qty. 5000 I was mostly asking about qty. 500 to 5000 - we're fairly likely to be somewhere in that range (or perhaps higher if we come up with support $$). That would be a total, of e.g. $135.00 for 500 $1,075.00 for 5000 (presumably that's not including any applicable taxes). lead time - need approximately one week Mee Mee Bakery 1328 Stockton St. San Francisco, CA 94133-3807 1-415-362-3204 ... ask for manager ... $40.00 per 100 cookies (again, individually wrapped, includes printed custom message (all the same) in each) 10% off at qty 5000 e.g.: $200.00 for 500 $1,800.00 for 5000 (presumably that's not including any applicable taxes). lead time - 3 to 4 days message - 32 spaces/characters per line, 3 lines references: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2007-July/000375.html

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BALUG - fortune cookies, helping BALUG, etc.
by Michael Paoli 19 Jul '07

19 Jul '07

Andrew, I didn't manage to comb through and find all or most all of the relevant URLs of information to check out, but here are at least several key ones: website transitions & status, etc. (almost current information, also includes mention of some items we could use a bit more volunteers/resources on): http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2007-June/000373.html BALUG speaker coordination wiki page: http://www.sf-lug.com/wiki/doku.php?id=balug_speaker_coordination BALUG web site: http://www.balug.org/ BALUG lists: http://www.balug.org/#Lists fortune cookie background: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2007-July/000375.html and fortune cookie update: http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2007-July/000385.html There's been lots of discussion about a (combined) LUG booth at LWE, much of that discussion - at least what I've seen - has happened on the SF-LUG list (mostly with subjects containing "LWE", "Linux World" or "LinuxWorld"): http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2007q2/date.html http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2007q3/date.html SF-LUG is a separate LUG, here are their websites: http://www.sf-lug.org/ http://www.sf-lug.com/ Bay Area Debian (BAD) (http://bad.debian.net/) will be represented (at least a bit) at LinuxWorld at the Debian booth. There may be quite a number of LUGs represented at the combined LUG booth at LWE. new.balug.org (to become www.balug.org) is on the same box as sf-lug.com The old BALUG web page (rather dysfunctional and mostly stripped of all the URLs (mostly commented out) that got broken through prior transitions) is still accessible as: http://www.balug.org/index.php Quoting Michael Paoli <Michael.Paoli(a)cal.berkeley.edu>: > Andrew, > > Sorry I didn't get back to you a bit sooner, ... catching up on > personal e-mail and such this evening, ... > > I did get more information today on getting fortune cookies made up > with custom message in them. I'll write up a bit more on that and > also send it to our "admin" list (where more folks get to see it, > and it's also publicly archived). I've got that and some other > BALUG stuff to work on and poke at this evening (to the extent I have > time ... that's one of about 3 things I'm working on this evening). > One bit of good news on fortune cookies - lead times are a fair bit > shorter than I guestimated. The longest leadtime that was stated to me > was one week - and the other bakery stated 3 to 4 days. Of course we > still have to work out exactly what we want on the little slip of paper > and such, but we do have some wiggle room - thus far - on the timing. > > Anyway, hope to get caught up on most of those bits between now and > tomorrow morning. > > Some things you might want to peek at for starters ... > BALUG web site: > http://www.balug.org/ > our lists on there (you might want to subscribe to at least the > "announce" list, and if you'd like to help out more, subscribing to the > "admin" list is highly useful, there's also the "talk" list for more > general LINUX/BALUG discussion). They're all publicly archived (if you > have time, you can read/skim the "admin" postings over the past few > months or so (there aren't all that many of them) ... I'll probably > get around to pointing out some more key ones (and of course there's > some new bits to send to the list too). > > There are e-mail contacts also on our web page ... the ones presently noted > at the bottom (for webmaster, balug contact, and speaker coordination) > are probably most useful, and go to the appropriate folks (e.g. > balug-contact goes presently to me, Dick, and Larry; > balug-speaker-coordinators goes to about a half dozen of us that work on > (or at least try to track) speakers/presentations and the coordination > thereof). > > Let me/us know if you want to get added to our balug-speaker-coordinators > e-mail alias.

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Re: [Balug-admin] ed cherlin's on for Tuesday night
by Michael Paoli 16 Jul '07

16 Jul '07

I'll update the site and get the announcement out (not necessarily in that order). Quoting jim stockford <jim(a)well.com>: > Who's gonna announce to the balug-talk list? what > else is there to do in preparation (last-minute)? > jim

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Re: [Balug-admin] Immediate response needed (Re LinuxWorld Expo)
by Rick Moen 12 Jul '07

12 Jul '07

Re-sending because this seems to have gotten lost, the first time. Quoting jim stockford (jim(a)well.com): > ...of course! CABAL is a good common point. > Seems a need for an active point of communication > to coordinate LUGs for such things as LinuxWorld, > LinuxPicnic, maybe sharing speaker info.... Just for context, CABAL's own activities at present (aside from availability of its name to borrow as an umbrella ;-> ) is a medium traffic LUG mailing list called "conspire" (http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire) and twice-monthly meeting / installfest / barbecues in Menlo Park, 2nd and 4th Saturday evenings. (Next one is this Saturday, 4pm to midnight.) Communication to coordinate LUGs: If there is demand, I'd be willing to set up a mailing list for inter-LUG matters in the Bay Area. That's been tried before on other people's mail servers at least twice; both times, it didn't really work very well. Dumb politics is a severe risk on inter-group discussion fora, and unfortunately there are people in Bay Area LUGs who don't like or trust each other. Here is how I would run such a mailing list, and how in fact I run CABAL's and SVLUG's: o No mailing-list manager software munging of the Reply-To header. o Back-postings Web archive completely public; membership roster accessible to any subscriber. o No moderation or banning of any non-spammer, non-spewer subscriber, except in extraordinary circumstances that would be immediately disclosed to the membership (that I cannot anticipate, but might be, e.g., activity that would implicate the subscribership base in criminal activity). o "Spam" is defined as only what pretty much everyone agrees is such. o "Spew" is defined as persistent barraging of the mailing list with nonsense text or other massive text postings that pretty much everyone can agree is a mere text DoS attack, and not in any way legitimate postings. This would be like the "poetry bots" that in the past have auto-posted to some Usenet newsgroups in an effort to destroy them (e.g., alt.s*i*ntology). o All listadmin pronouncements (if any) will be clearly disclosed as speaking in that capacity. I.e., there will be no ambiguity about what role "hat" the listadmin is speaking in. Any in-force rules will be publicly disclosed on the Mailman listadmin page (what, e.g., http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/listinfo/conspire is for "conspire"). o No sanctioning of posters merely because other posters/subscribers express dislike of what the poster is saying. (No dumb primate politics carried out via the listadmin.) The listadmin's likely reaction to complaints about someone else's non-spam, non-spew postings will be to offer to teach the complainer how to use his/her killfile software, to avoid seeing what bothers him/her. My preferred listadmin style, in short, is minimal central control, minimal involvement of the listadmin in what people are permitted to do, and high transparency / avoidance of backroom dealings. Many people actually dislike that: They _want_ a listadmin who carefully controls the tone and content of the mailing list, who intensively manages people via off-list private-mail discussions about permitted behaviour, and who enforces a large number of unwritten rules, out of public sight. They _want_ a listadmin who breaks up arguments, declares threads "dead" if he judges them likely to offend or to have gone on too long, enforces civility with threats, and otherwise acts like the parent of misbehaving children. Those people, and their preferred sort of listadmin, tend towards introvert/passive-aggressiveness and a severely high-context style of communication. The listadmin in such groups is often called the "listmom". I _could_ name two Bay Area technical groups that currently have such (long-established, but undisclosed) styles of management for their mailing lists, and two that used to but don't anymore -- but won't. (The passive-aggressives who run, and used to run, respectively, those four groups specifically dislike _me_, among other people, because I'm far too in-your-face for their liking. I don't return their dislike in kind, which probably bugs them, too. ;-> ) LinuxWorld Conference and Expo: > Rick will probably have ideas and opinions. Coloured flyers for the LinuxWorld table, about the various groups, are a very good idea. Here's what I wrote on conspire in response to Jim's kind offer to have some CABAL literature at the table (quoted in case the suggestions are useful to others): ---<snip>--- From rick Tue Jul 10 19:24:39 2007 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:24:39 -0700 To: conspire(a)linuxmafia.com Subject: Re: [conspire] anyone interested in helping represent Conspire at LinuxWorld Expo? Quoting jim stockford (jim(a)well.com): > If you'd like to put in a little time at the community > table (for LUGs) and/or have other ideas as to > how to promote the conspire mailing list or the > CABAL activities or anything else related, please > let me know ASAP--the IDG coordinator is finalizing > the table arrangements today or tomorrow. What would really be good, ye CABAL regulars, would be for one of you to prototype a brief informational flyer about CABAL, suitable for printing out and stacking at the LWCE community table for LUGs that Jim is speaking of. In my experience, the best physical format for a LUG flyer is quarter-sheet. That is, you design your flyer to have the same text in each of the four quarters of an 8.5 x 11" sheet, with matching backside text in the same configuration. You print, photocopy, and cut into quarters. Why? Because people tend to lose full letter-sized sheets, having picked up a million of them and inevitably losing them into ever-growing piles of same. By contrast, quarter-sheet flyers are kinda cute, and stand out. Trifold flyers are almost as good. If someone could (please) prototype a CABAL flyer and provide electronic copy, I'll make sure it gets to LWCE. (I'm really busy with work, and can't spare the time to design flyers right now.) ---<snip>--- Sharing speaker info: If you want, join the SVLUG "volunteers" mailing list, where speaker possibilities are discussed (http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/volunteers). SVLUG's cumulative memory for possible future speakers/topics is supposed to be the TBA page, http://www.svlug.org/tba.php . That is, when someone comes up with an idea for a future meeting, it's supposed to go there. Other SVLUG volunteers are _supposed_ to help maintain that page; they've mostly not helped, but I manage to keep the list pretty complete, unaided. (My point: Please _do_ "poach" SVLUG's possible-speakers list. This isn't a zero-sum game, they're not SVLUG property, and having the same speaker give a talk at multiple groups around the Bay Area is a _good_ thing, not a bad one. Disclaimer: I do not properly speak for SVLUG, and you should consult President Paul Reiber and VP Mark Weisler if you need official policy.) Additionally, _many_ good ideas for speakers can be found on SVLUG's "previous meetings" page, which is complete back to July 1997: http://www.svlug.org/prevmeet.php SVLUG has in the past had a "Speaker's Bureau" that specifically tried to share information with other groups. That isn't present per se at the moment, but less-formal coordination through lurking on the low-traffic volunteers list would probably suffice, just as well. (the ghost of) LinuxPicnic: The Linux Picnic was founded by a group of individuals in the Sunnyvale area as an event that was to be run _collectively_ by participating LUGs (plus one ham-radio group called South Bay Community Network, sbay.org, or Sbay), with none of them in sole charge of the event, and a picnic coordinator and treasurer managing the event and funds on behalf of all the groups, chosen annually by all the groups. Its Internet presence was at domain "linux10.org" for the first year (10th anniversary of Linux), and then one other (IIRC, linux11.org), and then eventually Drew Bertola registered linuxpicnic.org. In 2006, Henry House, J. Paul Reed, and I noticed that South Bay Community Network seemed to be acting as if the event had suddenly become solely theirs to administer, and other groups were merely to provide volunteer labour for their event. (Drew Bertola had unfortunately handed over the linuxpicnic.org domain to South Bay Community Network's then-president, who holds it to this day.) SVLUG (per SVLUG president J. Paul Reed) and CABAL (per me) agreed to participate in the 2006 picnic on the condition that the picnic would continue to be run jointly by all of the participating groups equally, that therefore the funds collected from sponsors would be those of the picnic and not grabbed by any one group, etc. Having secured SVLUG and CABAL's help with event staffing and publicity, South Bay Community Network then violated that condition: They ran the event as internal to sbay.org, established a "SIG Charter" for it without consulting any of the groups, established high-content-control rules for the picnic discussion mailing list[1] (again) without consulting any of the groups and with themselves in sole charge of list administration, and rolled the leftover funds into their own treasury. New South Bay Community Network president Heather Stern in 2007 asked for SVLUG's (and other groups') help with the 2007 picnic: I pointed out the ongoing bad faith and unilateral removal of the other groups from event planning / administration. Heather denied that anything had changed. I challenged her to make good on that: If you assert that I'm wrong, prove it: Solicit offers from the Bay Area Linux groups for a treasurer (Henry House of LUGOD or anyone else) to manage and spend the picnic's incoming funds on behalf of _all_ the constituent groups, and not just on behalf of Sbay. Then make clear that the picnic coordinator and treasurer are answerable to the numerous participating groups -- as was the case traditionally -- and not uniquely to Sbay. Heather made no reply whatsoever. We of the Bay Area Linux groups are valued only as a source of free labour and publicity. Thread starts here: http://lists.svlug.org/archives/volunteers/2007q1/000140.html In short, I'd love to put together a Bay Area Linux Picnic again, and think 2008 should be what we shoot for. (We'll need a new Internet domian.) Meanwhile, I'm certainly intending to attend the 2007 Sbay Picnic, and think it's really nice of a ham-radio group to furnish a barbecue picnic for Bay Area Linux users. What I'm not going to do is help staff or publicise that ham group's event, especially given their history of bad faith and their destruction of the community's participation. CABAL will not participate in Sbay's event, ditto. I hope that SVLUG won't, given the bad faith on the other side. [1] Among those: Any citation of postings there to elsewhere, impliedly even one's own, is considered an "actionable offense" meriting banning, etc. Also, the membership roster is available only to the listadmin, and the back-postings archive is hidden from public view. The listadmin has a history of silencing critics by gagging their on-list posting ability or ejecting them, and then not informing the list membership, allegedly sponsoring groups, or other responsible parties. This is of course a perfect example of the passive-aggressive "listmom" style of mailing list administration that I abhor. ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: [Balug-admin] Immediate response needed (Re LinuxWorld Expo)
by Michael Paoli 11 Jul '07

11 Jul '07

Perhaps a bit late - or maybe not too late, ... Since there seems to be an open question of exactly what user groups will be represented and/or have volunteers at such booth(s) at LinuxWorld - and that might not even be known reasonably well in advance, perhaps a logical "group" to have such a combined booth under would be CABAL - Consortium of All Bay Area Linux That would leave enough flexibility to cover whatever groups end up participating, I would think. Anyway, just a thought. There might be "issues" with that in some ways, though, ... at least for LinuxWorld Expo ... for the .org pavilion, I think they require the "group" have a .org web site. I can't think of any other "gottcha's" that jump out at me off the top of my head. references/excerpts: http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/ Quoting jim stockford <jim(a)well.com>: > > > Dear LUG honcho, > > Would you like your LUG represented at LinuxWorld Expo? > If so, at the very least, let Briana know immediately > per email thread below. > > Please also, if you're inclined, let jim(a)well.com know. > I know that LUGOD is interested, tho' I can't speak for > them (Bill Kendricks may be able to). > > It would be helpful to us all to coordinate a bit, > maybe hand out each others' promo and educational > material, make sure the booth has someone at it as > often as possible (i.e. create and coordinate shifts). > > > -------------------------- > > From Briana: > I will hold off on ordering until tomorrow. > I appreciate your help. > > ____________________________ > Briana Pontremoli > Marketing Manager > IDG World Expo > 3 Speen Street, Suite 320 > Framingham, MA 01701

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Re: [Balug-admin] BALUG (& other user groups) at / represented at LinuxWorld Expo
by Michael Paoli 11 Jul '07

11 Jul '07

In not necessarily any particular order: * No reason not to have most of this on the "admin" list - reaches more folks that way (and a relevant "audience") ... some of it is even probably appropriate for the "talk" list, ... also publicly archived, so much more findable and easier for folks to catch up on the earlier "conversations". * At the June BALUG meeting, the idea discussed was getting fortune cookies made with custom messages inserted, and distributing them at LinuxWorld Expo as a means of promoting/publicizing BALUG. Got the information on recommended bakeries, haven't gotten pricing (and lead time) information. Someone want to check into that? Here's the Bakerys' contact information (at least what I have thus far): Golden Gate Fortune Cookies Co. 56 Ross Alley San Francisco, CA 94108-1204 1-415-781-3956 Mee Mee Bakery 1328 Stockton St. San Francisco, CA 94133-3807 1-415-362-3204 tie-ins: BALUG meets in Chinatown at Chinese restaurant, and fortune cookies were invented in San Francisco (and from the above bakeries, these would be fortune cookies made in San Francisco) Anyway, no need to wait on me to complete the research - someone want to jump on it? (e.g. call 'em and get lead time and information on pricing - minimum qty., and pricing qty. breaks up to some reasonable $$ figure - or perhaps there's a fixed set-up charge, and then set cost per unit for any single production run) As for myself and LinuxWorld Expo - most of what booth time I have will likely be at the Debian booth. I can probably manage to also occasionally get stuff (e.g. flyers) to/from the event. I do work in San Francisco ... but not as absurdly close to the event location as I used to. In years past (and I'll likely do so again) for Debian and Bay Area Debian (BAD) I made up little 1/4 sheet mini-flyers promoting the Bay Area Debian (BAD) meeting (which, not having fixed location, was intentionally located very conveniently close to LinuxWorld Expo), and on the back of that mini-flyer I put a fair bit of information on other regional user groups (most notably also including the BALE URL). There was also a fair bit of Debian stuff too, on one or both sides of that mini-flyer. Anyway, thus far plan for BAD is about the same - at least for what I have in mind ... this year (as also I think two, but not one year ago), LinuxWorld happens to line up with date of BAD meeting (but not BALUG this year). Anyway, I suppose it depends what user groups want to do. Individual flyers and such are easier to not have to coordinate what goes on them ... but to the extent that many LUGs might not have a lot of folks to do booth volunteer time, there's more to coordinate on getting the materials to the event and seeing that they get distributed. Anyway, if there is a (general) LUG booth, and/or even if there are other LUGs (e.g. LUGOD) with their own booth willing to display and hand stuff out, the information and such should make it out there fairly well. Of course having more volunteers there at the booth(s) that are quite familiar with the LUGs helps even more. Quoting Larry Platzek <larryp(a)inow.com>: > At June balug meeting Discussed attend LWE Someone was going to check on > fortune cookies to be handed out, Then get the information to the rest of > us. That appears not to have happened so balug is not going have a booth/ > help at a booth. > I have heath issues to deal with so can not plan on being at LWE and Dick > Verna has his work to do so can attend. > If others want to doing something that is ok by me. > > Larry > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, jim stockford wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:00:04 -0700 > > From: jim stockford <jim(a)well.com> > > To: balug-speaker-coordinators(a)sf-lug.com > > Cc: Larry Platzek <larryp(a)inow.com>, > > Michael Paoli <Michael.Paoli(a)cal.berkeley.edu>, > > Dick Verna <rverna01(a)comcast.net> > > Subject: Immediate response needed (Re LinuxWorld Expo) > > > > > > > > Dear LUG honcho, > > > > Would you like your LUG represented at LinuxWorld Expo? > > If so, at the very least, let Briana know immediately > > per email thread below. > > > > Please also, if you're inclined, let jim(a)well.com know. > > I know that LUGOD is interested, tho' I can't speak for > > them (Bill Kendricks may be able to). > > > > It would be helpful to us all to coordinate a bit, > > maybe hand out each others' promo and educational > > material, make sure the booth has someone at it as > > often as possible (i.e. create and coordinate shifts). > > > > > > -------------------------- > > > > From Briana: > > I will hold off on ordering until tomorrow. > > I appreciate your help. > > > > ____________________________ > > Briana Pontremoli > > Marketing Manager > > IDG World Expo > > 3 Speen Street, Suite 320 > > Framingham, MA 01701

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upcoming BALUG meeting, (pre-)announcement, etc.
by Michael Paoli 17 Jun '07

17 Jun '07

Well, ... as far as I'm aware, we still don't have a speaker/presentation lined up for this month's meeting on this coming Tuesday 2007-06-19. Probably about about time to send out meeting announcement/reminder. I was thinking I would go ahead and send that out by end of today. Presuming we still don't have speaker/presentation lined up, I can also include reminder to folks of how to let us know if they would be able to do a presentation/talk, or wanted to let us know or refer to us someone who could. Anything else we should add/included in announcement? Perhaps remind folks that LinuxWorld registration is open, and comes to San Francisco in August (or maybe just put that out on the "talk" list if there isn't already such an item out there).

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