I'm guessing that posting permissions for balug-announce need to be restricted, as my understanding is that it's supposed to be a low-traffic place for announcements of BALUG and similar _events_ by authorised parties, only.
I do not have the listadmin password for balug-announce. Someone else will have to fix this. I recommend changing the listwide setting that makes it a moderated mailing list (to turn on moderation), and then flipping on the Moderated bit for almost all subscribers in the subscribers roster.
The Moderated flag should be left turned off for people we trust to send only appropriate announcements. The result will be that all other postings will be held for listadmin review.
----- Forwarded message from Elizabeth Palmore epalmore@pixar.com -----
To: balug-announce@lists.balug.org From: Elizabeth Palmore epalmore@pixar.com Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:57:53 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Subject: [Balug-announce] SWE, Production Engineering (3D Computer Graphics)
Software Engineer, Production Engineering Pixar Animation Studios Emeryville, CA
Pixar Animation Studios combines creative and technical artistry to create original stories in the medium of computer animation. Pixar has created six of the most successful and beloved animated films of all time: Toy Story, A Bug's Life, Toy Story 2, Monsters, Inc., Finding Nemo and The Incredibles. Pixar has won 18 Academy Awards® and its six films have grossed more than $3.2 billion at the worldwide box office to date. The Northern California studio will release its next film, Cars, on June 9, 2006.
Summary of Position:
This is a software engineering position in the Studio Tools Department to help support the existing deployments of Pixar's in- house movie production software. The primary responsibility of this position is to maintain and fix bugs in our proprietary system. This is a front line position that requires collaboration with our engineering staff, project managers, and production users to maintain mission critical software.
Responsibilities:
? Primarily responsible for the maintenance and support of software and/or systems under the guidance of a departmental project lead. ? Works directly with production staff to solve technical challenges and debug high priority issues. ? Detailed problem analysis and resolution of issues. ? Triage incoming issues and provide rapid response/resolution.
Qualifications
? Strong software engineering skills with expertise in C and C++ ? B.S. degree in computer science, advanced degree preferred. ? 5-7 years of experience in the computer graphics field. ? OpenGL experience preferred. ? Strong 3D math and computer graphics experience ? Linux or UNIX Operating System experience. ? Excellence in problem solving and balancing quick turnaround with long-term quality. ? Must be able to work well with a wide range of personality types. ? Must be detail oriented and organized, possess strong communication skills, and be able to handle a variety of tasks in an efficient manner. ? Excellent tracking and follow through ability ? Desire to provide excellent customer-service to production staff
To apply please go to www.pixar.com. Click on "Company Info" then "Jobs." Please submit resume AND cover letter.
Pixar is an Equal Opportunity Employer.
_______________________________________________ balug-announce mailing list balug-announce@lists.balug.org http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-announce-balug.org
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Rick Moen wrote:
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:10:47 -0800 From: Rick Moen rick@linuxmafia.com To: balug-admin@lists.balug.org Subject: [Balug-admin] (forw) [Balug-announce] SWE, Production Engineering (3D Computer Graphics)
I'm guessing that posting permissions for balug-announce need to be restricted, as my understanding is that it's supposed to be a low-traffic place for announcements of BALUG and similar _events_ by authorised parties, only.
I do not have the listadmin password for balug-announce. Someone else will have to fix this. I recommend changing the listwide setting that makes it a moderated mailing list (to turn on moderation), and then flipping on the Moderated bit for almost all subscribers in the subscribers roster.
The Moderated flag should be left turned off for people we trust to send only appropriate announcements. The result will be that all other postings will be held for listadmin review.
----- Forwarded message from Elizabeth Palmore epalmore@pixar.com -----
To: balug-announce@lists.balug.org From: Elizabeth Palmore epalmore@pixar.com Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:57:53 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Subject: [Balug-announce] SWE, Production Engineering (3D Computer Graphics)
Software Engineer, Production Engineering Pixar Animation Studios Emeryville, CA
big snip.
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Rick, are you objecting to the message on the announce list?
Would you have liked the posting to the talk list?
The posting to the list was done Feb. 8 and not seen untill the Feb 10.
Was the posting not held untill someone approved it?
In fact I know it was approved by someone, me.
I am glad you are concerned the posts by non members are moderated.
I think all three lists are moderated. Note said "think" will check on later today.
Larry Platzek larryp@inow.com
Quoting Larry Platzek (larryp@inow.com):
Rick, are you objecting to the message on the announce list?
I was concerned solely because I thought it meant that the announce list was unmoderated, which could have lead to bad things in the future. Since you approved it, everything's cool.
I think all three lists are moderated.
I'm pretty sure the talk and admin lists aren't, by design.
Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Larry Platzek (larryp@inow.com):
Rick, are you objecting to the message on the announce list?
I was concerned solely because I thought it meant that the announce list was unmoderated, which could have lead to bad things in the future. Since you approved it, everything's cool.
I kinda think those messages are better fitting for balug-talk, but the volume is pretty low, so I'm not going into arms about it.
(actually, in my line of thinking, a new balug-spam list might be the best option :-)
I think all three lists are moderated.
I'm pretty sure the talk and admin lists aren't, by design.
Its a matter of who is subscribed, and how fishy the headers are or somesuch I think. If you're on the list, it doesn't take a moderator to get you heard.
Its a bit flexible. Abusers can be flagged, etc. All three lists look functionally similar, I haven't compared their settings though.
If a problem arises, steps can be taken. I don't plan on worrying until something happens. I don't care to chat about my concerns in detail on a public list either. :-)
Uhm, could we please *not* approve such (job) postings to "announce"? Please kindly direct them to the "talk" list, where such might possibly be more accepted/tolerated (that's certainly at least my perspective on the matter).
Many of us UNIX/LINUX types get plenty of calls and e-mails from folks looking to hire UNIX/LINUX admins, and seeing yet more messages of this nature when many of us are mostly not interested in such messages can be quite an annoyance.
The announce list should be both low volume *and* quite relevant/specific to BALUG. If "we" deem it appropriate to include some slight mention on the "announce" list, we might just put in a line or two with URL(s) to the archived more detailed information on the "talk" list, ... and combine that with other BALUG "news" type mailing on the "announce" list, so we avoid peppering folks with separate additional e-mails from the "announce" list. E.g., if one thinks there's stuff worth including or including in brief on the "announce", we can always "discuss" it on "admin" first, so we include (or decide not to include) appropriate content (or reference to more detailed content) when item(s) do go out on the "announce" list. E.g., other opinions may vary, but I'd be inclined to include a quite short mention (a few lines, and URL to more detailed information) about the free computer giveaway information I sent to the "talk" list (as there are likely lots of folks subscribed to "announce" that aren't subscribed to "talk", ... but I wouldn't even consider posting that whole darn thing to "announce" ... nor do I care to see most stuff, especially from recruiters/agencies, going straight to the "announce" list (might possibly be okay on the "talk" list - that's a more debatable area ... whether "insider track" or other requirements would be appropriate on "talk" is also debatable ... hasn't been much of an issue/problem on the "talk" list - at least in recent years or so, so debating those finer points for "talk" might be a bit premature presently).
By the way, that item I sent to "talk", last I checked, had bounced, pending moderator approval. One can see an archived version of it here: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/oakland/2006-February/001784.html where it was approved by a moderator on another list where it likewise got held pending moderator approval (apparently due to number of recipients listed):
Lots of folks subscribed to "announce" (and similar lists for other groups/ LUGS) are often only interested in following relatively high levels stuff that's quite pertinent to the group, ... significant quantities of other cruft in there can be found to be quite annoying, and can cause folks to drop the subscription. That's not the effect we want our "announce" list to have on our subscribers. Many groups/LUGs even have rather to quite restrictive policies about posting job announcements even on their "talk" or equivalent list(s) (or they have a separate "jobs" list) (e.g. the BUUG policy is essentially "inside track only" - e.g. you are quite personally acquainted with the environment/people, etc. (e.g. you're the hiring manager or are in the group that has the opening, or something about that close).
Of course opinions can and will vary ;-) ... but I think we outlined the general intent of the lists pretty well a while back (when we added the "admin" list and moderated the "announce" list).
Of the BALUG lists, only "announce" should be moderated. "talk" and "admin" lists aren't moderated, and most commonly stuff shouldn't need to go through moderation (except if posting comes in from non-subscriber, so we block random spam and high-volume plastering stuff, and some other triggers (like the number of recipients one that I managed to bump into for the first time).
Opinions may vary, ... but at least those are some of mine (for whatever they're worth).
Also, ... meeting announcement, presentation/speaker, etc., ... we *may* have a noteworthy speaker/presenter for our Feb. 21 meeting, ... or we might not have anyone/anything particularly scheduled for that meeting. I'm hoping we might have an answer by about Monday or Tuesday (or possibly earlier), so we can get out some kind of announcement (meeting reminder, if nothing else) not later than about Tuesday of next week. Also, ... are there other items we should include with that item on the "announce" list? (e.g short mention of whatever might also be relevant with URL for more details, and anything else that might possibly be of sufficiently high importance to warrant "announce"? I was thinking of including 1 to 3 lines + URL about the computer giveaway stuff, but I'd only be inclined to do that after it's been approved on "talk", so that it's available in the "talk" archives via URL (it's not exceedingly time-critical, so that could always be tacked onto an "announce" e-mailing further off in the future, if it's not in the "talk" archives before we're ready to send out something on "announce"). Anything else we might want to include/mention?
Oh, ... and also ... (among other things) we might want to review/tweak who's on the list as moderators for the various BALUG lists ... if nothing else, it might be useful to at least figure out who the moderators are presently on the lists, and get that info. to the "admin" list (we can always figure out later if we want to tweak it).
references/excerpts: " BALUG "announce" <balug-announce-balug.org at lists.balug.org> moderated
The BALUG "announce" list <balug-announce-balug.org at lists.balug.org> should now be moderated. Hopefully that will keep the list relatively low traffic and more on-traget for more "important"/newsy BALUG focused/oriented announcements (e.g. meeting announcements/reminders, important BALUG news, etc.).
More general BALUG related discussions are of course always welcomed on the "talk" list <balug-talk-balug.org at lists.balug.org>, which remains "unmoderated" (though one must be a subscriber to the list, to post to it). " http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2005-September/000... http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2005-March/000002.htm...
Quoting Larry Platzek larryp@inow.com:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Rick Moen wrote:
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:10:47 -0800 From: Rick Moen rick@linuxmafia.com To: balug-admin@lists.balug.org Subject: [Balug-admin] (forw) [Balug-announce] SWE, Production Engineering (3D Computer Graphics)
I'm guessing that posting permissions for balug-announce need to be restricted, as my understanding is that it's supposed to be a low-traffic place for announcements of BALUG and similar _events_ by authorised parties, only.
I do not have the listadmin password for balug-announce. Someone else will have to fix this. I recommend changing the listwide setting that makes it a moderated mailing list (to turn on moderation), and then flipping on the Moderated bit for almost all subscribers in the subscribers roster.
The Moderated flag should be left turned off for people we trust to send only appropriate announcements. The result will be that all other postings will be held for listadmin review.
----- Forwarded message from Elizabeth Palmore epalmore@pixar.com -----
To: balug-announce@lists.balug.org From: Elizabeth Palmore epalmore@pixar.com Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:57:53 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Subject: [Balug-announce] SWE, Production Engineering (3D Computer
Graphics)
Software Engineer, Production Engineering Pixar Animation Studios Emeryville, CA
big snip.
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Rick, are you objecting to the message on the announce list?
Would you have liked the posting to the talk list?
The posting to the list was done Feb. 8 and not seen untill the Feb 10.
Was the posting not held untill someone approved it?
In fact I know it was approved by someone, me.
I am glad you are concerned the posts by non members are moderated.
I think all three lists are moderated. Note said "think" will check on later today.
Larry Platzek larryp@inow.com
Quoting Michael Paoli (Michael.Paoli@cal.berkeley.edu):
Uhm, could we please *not* approve such (job) postings to "announce"? Please kindly direct them to the "talk" list, where such might possibly be more accepted/tolerated (that's certainly at least my perspective on the matter).
I definitely agree with this view; I just didn't want to insist on it in my exchange with Larry, whom I respect: In my view, people who get the work done deserve more "votes" than those who don't, and Larry's definitely one of our get-it-done guys.
During the dot-com boom, pretty much all LUGs had to come up with pretty firm policies about where jobs postings had to go. Thank Ghu, traffic levels aren't (yet) back to the insane levels they were at that time, but -- as the current admin of a bunch of those mailing lists -- I'm glad those policies are in place.
(I feel a little bad about having not helped out BALUG more, of late, but a friend recently counted for me the number of user groups for whom, usually to save them from collapsing, I've become either sole maintainer of the group Web pages, sole listadmin, or both, and I suddenly remembered why I'm reluctant to take on more.)
Oh, ... and also ... (among other things) we might want to review/tweak who's on the list as moderators for the various BALUG lists ...
I'm (still) willing to be one of those. I used to be, and (if memory serves) did a fair amount of Mailman list-definition tweaking shortly after the move to Dreamhost, but noticed the other day that my listadmin password no longer works.
(That is not a complaint; but you're welcome to use my services as an experienced Mailman administrator.)