Dear All:
Based on a couple of email conversations that I had with Rick Moen last
week (both on the balug_admin list and privately), I'd like to touch base
with the rest of the group regarding the use of other LUG's mailing lists
for BALUG announcements. As such I'm not going to do a reminder email
blast of other LUG's lists for tomorrows event.
The basic concern is some people on specific LUG lists don't like other
LUGs posting their events. The rational is "If I wanted BALUG
announcements,…
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personally only heard this complaint from Rick, and my gut tells me that
his in the minority, but I don't want to be naive to the fact that others
may share his sentiment so advice/opinions here would definitely be
appreciated.
The problem is that other LUGs mailing lists are a great way for BALUG to
get the word out and abandoning them will make it quit difficult to let
folks know about all of the great speakers we have lined up for 2008.
My proposed solution, that I believe Rick supports, is to contact the
organizations individually and ask them how to handle their lists.
Thoughts?
-Andrew
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Hi, could someone who has the template create a poster for the month
of January 2008.
That way I can print it out and present to the computer lab at CCSF,
and see where I can post it with the example on hand.
Thanks
--
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Live Long and Prosper,
by Andrey Kuznetsov aka "Death Owl"
Still a work in progress, but ... check it out:
http://www.balug.org/http://www1.balug.org/http://www2.balug.org/
So, what's going on?
http://www.balug.org/ is legacy site (hosted by DreamHost.com)
http://www1.balug.org/* is (new.balug.org.) on the sf-lug.com. box
http://www2.balug.org/** is virtual host I installed Sunday (on
resources provided by Untangle.com)
Excepting some legacy materials, contents from
http://www.new.balug.org/
automagically*** propagate to the two other sites.
…
[View More]The longer term goal (hopefully not too horribly far off) is to
complete successful extraction of legacy content we care about from the
DreamHost.com site (along with smooth migration of mail lists), and to
have (at least) two hosts provide the BALUG services (for failover
and/or relatively high availability). Anyway, we're a few steps closer
to that now, with our third (and second non-DreamHost.com) host
(virtual host in this case).
Note that the DNS names shown here may be subject to change (e.g.
www.balug.org should persist, most other names may be subject to change).
* I haven't adjusted its redirect rules since I added www1.balug.org,
so it takes that host name it doesn't recognize, and redirects to its
default canonical name for that webserver on that IP
** still lots more configuration to do there ... it just serves up the
pages loaded there with a nearly default configuration.
*** via some rsync scripts and use of ssh with ssh keys; in general,
changes should propagate within approximately 15 minutes or less
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Thanks for the updated flyer.
It's now available on-line at:
http://www.balug.org/flyers/2007-11-20.pdf
PDF is "fine" (or at least okay) format, ... and relatively defacto
standard for presentation format (generally quite consistent rendering).
For some odd reason though, GIMP (at least version I was dealing with) wasn't
handling it okay ... but xpdf (also open source) would render/display it
just fine. And as "attachment" is fine too.
Quoting Andrew Fife <afife(a)untangle.com>:
…
[View More]> I think PDF is pretty common way of sharing documents across various
> platforms, but if attaching the flyer causes confusion, I'm cool with
> leaving it off.
>
> The new(er) version of the November flyer is attached. My version of the
> text is a mix of several people's, but I've included copies in both .pdf &
> MS Publisher so that folks can make changes if they wish. MS Publisher
> licenses aren't that common and I don't know of an open source equivalent,
> but if anyone else does, please let me know and I'll convert &
> redistribute the file.
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My comments/replies in-line, some of the referenced stuff very slightly
edited (e.g. some personal information removed)
And I'm putting this one on the list (so, use due care if one hits Reply-all,
as the list is publicly archived) - see also one of my comments towards
the end of this e-mail (one is also not obligated to reply on list).
Andrew - I'm also Bccing you - you ought to be subscribed to the "admin"
list, but it appears you're not subscribed.
Quoting Andrew Fife:
> Hi Xavier …
[View More]& Michael:
>
> Just a quick note to check in regarding website issues and ask whether or
> not you guys have been able to figure out getting Xavier root access to
> the dreamhost box so that he can help work on the website.
Well, you might want to check with the technical folks / sysadmins on some
of this stuff first ...
None of us have nor will we have root access on DreamHost.com ...
period. Only DreamHost admins have that access. It's a hosted service.
There's a lot of stuff we *can't* do there, and *don't* have access to
change - or in some cases even view/inspect (e.g. http.conf) there.
Nevertheless there's still a fair amount we can do there to get by
at least semi-reasonably until we're set to completely move off of
DreamHost.com.
Work is significantly progressing - though it may not be
highly visible at the casual glance. I alluded to at least some of this
in some e-mail(s) I sent approximately last weekend or so. For those that
might have bothered to peek (e.g. any and/or all of BALUG's webmasters
(Andrew - you're on the alias to keep you informed of that stuff too,
but you don't have the access to the stuff (and probably best that way,
as we can much better use your skills and time in other areas)), things
*are* changing. E.g. the webmasters now have much more freedom
to change stuff on:
http://[www.]new.balug.org/http://[www.]beta.balug.org/
I've also added subdomain test.balug.org, and there's also
http://[www.]php.test.balug.org/ (for our PHP volunteer(s) to muck around
with trying some PHP fixes and such there (the PHP environment is also
definitely not yet fully configured/available)).
Though it might not be readily apparent, if one peeks a bit closely and/or
looks at the configurations, they have separate DocumentRoot, so their
pages can be mucked about with relatively independently. I did also set up
earlier mechanism to automagicly update main page on
http://[www.]balug.org/
from
http://[www.]new.balug.org/
... that's still in place, but I have in mind mechanism to expand that, so
that "all" (with some very limited and clear exceptions) changes/updates
including changes on pages and also adding/droping pages on
http://[www.]new.balug.org/
would get relatively quickly (e.g. within 15 minutes or less)
have their same changes made to
http://[www.]balug.org/
It's still a work in progress, but it's not too horribly far away from
having those capabilities (fairly likely I'll get that wrapped up this coming
weekend). For those webmaster(s) that haven't peeked and/or played with it,
poke around on the new.balug.org. host - you can change *most* stuff
in
http://[www.]new.balug.org/
and
http://[www.]beta.balug.org/
... do note however that if something is changed on the main page of
http://[www.]new.balug.org/ it *will* cause that change to get propagated
to
http://[www.]balug.org/
I may also setup
http://[www.]test.balug.org/
as an additional area (e.g. for doing non-production (and non-beta)
tests (http://[www.]new.balug.org/ should be treated like production,
as it does (presently a bit) and will (quite a bit more not too horribly
far into the future from now) automagicly (at least by default)
propagate most all its changes to the production
http://[www.]balug.org/
web site.
Anyway, I'll provide a bit more details on that stuff once it's slightly
more settled (it's still a work in progress - much of that work
having gotten done between last weekend and this week).
> Also, I recently bought the following urls:
>
> Bayarealinuxusersgroup.com/.net/.org
> Bayarealinuxusergroup.com/.net/.org
Uhm, ... I presume you mean domains, ... but in any case, ...
well, we might be able to do *something* with those, ... but perhaps not
nearly as useful to us as you might have guessed/presumed. You might
want to ask "us" (technical / sysadmin) folks a bit more about that
first ... but that's a slightly moot point now. We could point those to
the new.balug.org. host, or the to be hosted by Untangle virtual host
or wherever ... could point them at one of the already separate areas
on the new.balug.org host, or create yet additional separate
NameVirtualHost setups on that host as may be desired. I think we
should create as many separate areas as makes sense for their respective
separate functions/uses ... but probably not more than that, otherwise
we have inactive unnecessary gunk hanging out there.
> Maybe we should forget about <registrant> and just setup a redirect to one
> of these URLs. That way the legacy web server issues won't get in the way
> of effectively switching hosts and at least getting up cosmetically
> prettier interim site up.
A) Catch-22 - redirect won't remove dependency, can't do an HTTP
redirect without httpd.conf access - and we don't and won't have
that on DreamHost.com, and meta redirect wouldn't work very well and
has all the preceding problems and more. We can't move balug.org.
off of DreamHost.com without a bit of assistance from <registrant>
(I need to do a bit more follow-up on that again ... not critical to
us *yet*, but will be at some point in our future).
B) As noted in some earlier e-mails, I think we've got a good game plan
for being able to do a much better site, while still allowing us to
recover the legacy stuff and migrate critical legacy stuff (e.g. lists)
without inducing undue pain for over 400 BALUG list subscribers.
> What do you guys think?
A) Have some patience, we're getting there, but not overnight. I'd
guestimate by late this year / early next year we'd be set to fully
migrate off of DreamHost ... but that's an approximate guestimate.
I'd think a fair bit sooner than that (e.g. mid to late this month,
perhaps significantly sooner) we'll be well poised to be able to make
lots of changes to our web pages - and rather easily (add/drop
changes pages, with any of the webmasters being able to do so). I
also anticipate we'll soon have much better access "completed" for
webmasters to be able to pretty darn freely muck about with most any
relevant content that they should be able to change.
B) Xavier - have a poke around
http://[www.]beta.balug.org/
You should be able to go relatively hog wild changing things on there
as the whim may strike you (I had in mind to plop copy of the pages
you did there as one reference starting point ... but haven't gotten
around to it yet, ... I think I've an older copy sitting around
somewhere, but not sure if that matches whatever current version you
may have on your ftp site). Also keep in mind (we'll probably want
to "discuss" this) I've also got some ideas on how to do the web
pages ... I really like much of what Xavier's done (and stuff Mae
Ling Mak has also drafted), but I've got some ideas too, ... I think
by combining a number of features of both we can probably get what's
likely a "best of both worlds" - or at least nearly so. If you have
a peek at the relevant configuration files (world readable) and
sudo -l, you should get a pretty darn good idea of what you can do
and where (feel free to ask me/us if anything isn't particularly
obvious - between BALUG trying to keep things sufficiently separate
from SF-LUG to avoid accidental interference, and multiple
NameVirtualHost setups, and some redirects, there may be a few
layers to look through to get familiar with how things are
configured and where the various pieces are).
C) Andrew - those bayarealinuxusers?group\.{com,net,org}\. domains you
acquired - we should have a discussion about what you may wish to do
with them, and what's technically feasible ... then figure out from
there what we may care to do with them.
D) Those domains you bought - as long as they're already bought and paid
for, we probably ought to at least point them to something useful, ...
in the meantime they basically look like a highly unimpressive parked
site page (mostly a bunch of advertising). ... they're using DNS
wildcard records too, ... so, ... we've got an exceedingly large number
of (sub)domains that all lead to quite unexciting web pages.
E) I also think, where feasible, we should do more of these
communications on applicable publicly archived lists (dropping
specific bits as/where appropriate, etc.). I think, where feasible,
having the conversations in "public" has several general advantages:
* others can catch up more quickly (point them at the archive)
* it's often easier to find/reference earlier items (search out /
provide URL)
* it's more visible:
* more folks see it, others might suggest useful stuff that we
might not have considered or may have forgotten or overlooked,
etc.
* other folks can lean from what we do/attempt (what works, what
doesn't, what is/isn't feasible (and why), etc.
* and (e.g. for the "admin" list) folks can generally be more
informed of some of the bits and pieces that are going on "inside"
BALUG (e.g. this may be one of the more public items I've done in
quite a while that gives folks a better "feel"/understanding of
where we are (and aren't, and have yet to go) on doing many of the
balug.org changes we wish to do.
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat,
and wrong."
- Henry Louis Mencken
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler."
- Albert Einstein
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I did manage to retrieve a fair chunk of older BALUG history/archives.
Thanks to The Internet Archive, I got what would seem to be much
of the older mail list materials. Covering from approximately
1997-01-27 through approximately 2001-02-11. We have the list materials
from 2001-06-15 going forward. The gap from 2001-02-11 through 2001-06-15
might be "lost" or very hard to obtain ... unless we find someone who saved
an e-mail archive that includes that. That gap is likely from when
the …
[View More]Internet Archive made its last pass over the older mail list
locations, and when those locations were last used. On 2001-06-15 the
lists picked up starting at a new location.
There's still a fair bit of other material to retrieve. Some of the
quite old web stuff (which can still probably be pulled from The Internet
Archive - I've gotten much of that already, but have some other pieces
to retrieve) ... and there's much of the more mid-timeframe range web
content (e.g. meeting minutes and materials and lots of other
useful/interesting stuff) ... from roughly 2003-09 through 2007-05
... most of that is "trapped" behind some broken PHP/MySQL on our "legacy"
site, ... there may also be some stuff that may be difficult to infeasible
to find towards the early end of that range - most notably from the prior
site from last pass of The Internet Archive through to the last changes
on that older site before it went away and was replaced with the newer site.
Anyway, I/we will likely make these older materials available (at least
what we've got or been able to retrieve thus far) in the
not-too-horribly-distant future. Would be nice to also close in the gaps
of thus far missing or not presently accessible materials ... at least as
much as feasible, anyway.
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BALUG Volunteers:
Michael Paoli & I mailed the November announcement to the following LUG
mailing lists (see below) and we have planed to send reminders on Sunday
or Monday.
Quick Question: Does anybody know if BayLISA, East Bay LUG or Stanford LUG
have mailing lists? If so, links to their registration pages would be
much appreciated, as I have not been able to find them.
Lastly, I have to say that I thought Bill Kendrick's post to balug-talk on
November 10th regarding LUGOD was the …
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seen yet. Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery so I borrowed a
lot of his style in sending out the message.
LUGs mailed for Nov Meeting:
SVLUG
SFLUG
PenLUG
Bay Area Debian
BayPIGgies
SMAUG
SoCoSA
CABAL
BUUG
SFO BUG
SF Perl Mongers
NB LUG
BaySec
BAFUG
Oakland Perl Mongers
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Andrew Fife
Untangle - Open Source Security Gateway
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415.806.6028 (C)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Paoli [mailto:Michael.Paoli@cal.berkeley.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:30 AM
To: balug-sc(a)balug.org
Subject: RE: BALUG Nov. (etc.) annoncement
Anyway, ... hopefully you all got/saw it, but in any case the
announcement is out:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-announce-balug.org/2007-November/00
0095.html
Quoting Michael Paoli <Michael.Paoli(a)cal.berkeley.edu>:
> Well, I don't see the announcement out there yet, ... so, ... I'll
> be sending it out very shortly unless I see any indication not to do
> so. Hopefully I've incorporated "enough" of folks suggestions that
> it will reasonably please most ... but seems infeasible to please
> everyone 100% - so it's a bit of a compromise from various bits of
> input and suggestions.
>
> Quoting Michael Paoli:
>
> > Anyway, to make getting the announcement out a bit easier, I also
> > added these two folks:
> > Andrew Fife <afife(a)untangle.com>
> > Jesse Zbikowski <embeddedlinuxguy(a)gmail.com>
> > as being able to post to the "announce" list unmoderated - i.e.
> > you can now post it there directly yourself. I picked and added
> > the two noted above, as, in addition to myself, they're doing most
> > of the on-line posting/e-mailing/event listing publicity anyway.
> >
> > Also, I did slightly update the "announce" list policy and stuff, to
> > clarify and improve it a bit based on various uses and intended uses,
> > and feedback and suggestions from "announce" list subscribers
(including
> > also many of Rick Moen's excellent suggestions).
> > The (slightly updated) policy can be seen here:
> > http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-announce-balug.org
> > ... most notably, keep the "volume" down - probably aim for only 2
> > postings to the "announce" list per month, with a max of 3 (sort of
> > hold the 3rd in reserve, in case the meeting venue burns down
> > or Linus decides to pay visit to our meeting on short notice).
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So, this illustrates why I had the retention period for pending
moderator requests dialed down to 3 days (the length of a holiday
weekend), and why the recent increase to 21 days strikes me as a bad
idea: Dreamhost's spam-blocking is really terrible, so the
held-postings count was at 66 today and was obviously heading upwards.
So, I've reduced the retention period for all three mailing lists, once
again, this time to 5 days.
I do read my mail, and so will not fail to see notices of held
…
[View More]legitimate postings, except perhaps once in a blue moon when I'm
actually able to get away on holiday. ;->
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From: balug-talk-bounces(a)lists.balug.org
To: balug-talk-owner(a)lists.balug.org
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:02:37 -0800
Subject: 66 Balug-Talk moderator request(s) waiting
The Balug-Talk(a)lists.balug.org mailing list has 66 request(s) waiting
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Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of
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I think it's been a while since I put a bit of information on the list
about some of the infrastructure updates. Anyway, though perhaps a bit
slow, some of the plans are continuing to well progress.
Most notably, as of quite recently (this weekend), at least a fair
number of the earlier plans have now been implemented (though I should
still round out and catch up on some documenting of it, but hopefully
it's mostly relatively self documenting (e.g. those that have the
access to change the …
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at least read the configurations to see how most, or nearly all of the
pieces are tied together)).
Anyway, webmaster (I'll use webmaster to refer to webmaster(s)) should
have significantly improved access to be able to change stuff -
including the production [www.]balug.org - at least indirectly, anyway.
Starting from production [www.]balug.org and working backwards ...
There's now in place a crontab driven rsync script, which propagates
appropriate changes from [www.]new.balug.org to [www.]balug.org.
[www.]new.balug.org is essentially pre-production staging area - stuff
dropped there gets propagated to production ([www.]balug.org.) within
approximately 15 minutes or less. webmaster has rather free reign over
the contents of [www.]new.balug.org. Also, to avoid unintentionally
clobbering legacy stuff in production (from which we still wish to
extract some important content), various filters are in place on the
rsync to prevent accidental clobbering, and also, in the DocumentRoot
for [www.]new.balug.org, various ownerships/permissions are set such
that webmaster can't place something where it couldn't be (safely)
propagated to production.
So, ... effectively, webmaster has relatively free reign in
[www.]new.balug.org and that automagically propagates to production.
This also affords a fair amount of safety and security, as the present
production environment is rather fragile (there's no easy way to
separate out webmaster and sysadmin roles in the present production,
and the effective sysadmin access could easily by accident or intention
destroy lots of stuff there that would be infeasible to impossible to
restore/correct - we hope to more fully correct that situation in the
future, but that's at least where we still stand presently - at least in
part).
Then there's also [www.]beta.balug.org. There are actually multiple
levels of webmaster - one level that has access to do stuff that
propagates to production, and one that doesn't. Only the lower level
of access is required (at least presently) to change stuff in
[www.]beta.balug.org. At least presently, similar to
[www.]new.balug.org. it has various ownerships/permissions in place
such that webmaster can't place something where it couldn't be
replicated to [www.]new.balug.org and propagated to production.
[www.]beta.balug.org may also be highly suitable for placing stuff we
don't presently want propagated to production - e.g. for larger
archival materials (such as audio recordings of past meetings) where
due to space it may not be advisable presently to copy those to
production - but we can well accommodate those larger items in
[www].beta.balug.org.
There's also [www.]test.balug.org - a scratch/test area. webmaster has
even fewer limitations there - e.g. permissions/ownership allow
webmaster almost completely free reign in the DocumentRoot of
[www.]test.balug.org.
Anyway, much of this is done via the following various mechanisms:
* Apache NameVirtualHost configurations
* appropriate separation of roles/users/groups, use of sudo, etc.,
e.g. the DocumentRoot for one of the webmaster IDs/roles:
$ id; ls -ld .
uid=10742(balugwm2) gid=10742(balugwm2) groups=10742(balugwm2)
drwxrwsr-t 4 root balugwm2 4096 Nov 11 20:39 .
$
* along with carefully crafted IDs, access, and ssh configurations, some
carefully crafted crontab driven rsync scripting, e.g.:
http://www.balug.org/.www.balug.org_rsync.txt
(it's not actually run from that location, but the script is readable
from there to aid webmaster in understanding exactly what's happening
in production and how things propagate from [www.]new.balug.org to
[www.]balug.org)
A fair bit of the communication has also taken place off-list, but
here's some more bits of earlier on-list communication references:
http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2007-September/00040…http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2007-September/00041…
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[
Note this is DRAFT for announcement.
Flyer isn't present at the URL shown ... yet.
If I don't get an updated flyer, I may make some edits on the older
version and then use that.
I did include mention of the door prizes - but kept it very brief.
Anyway, I hope to have the "final" version out
this evening / tonight, or 2007-11-07 A.M.
I also tried to better approximate RFC 1153 message digest format,
as that may make reading in many mail clients a bit more convenient
and user-friendly.
]
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[View More]Contents:
Bay Area Linux Users Group (BALUG)[1] 2007-11-20:
James Burgett, Alameda County Computer Resource Center (ACCRC)[2]:
"Free Software, The Environment, Social Welfare, and the Digital Divide"
RSVP
door prizes
Other upcoming BALUG meetings
references (about BALUG, time, location, etc.)
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For our 2007-11-20 BALUG meeting we are pleased to present:
James Burgett, Alameda County Computer Resource Center (ACCRC)[2]:
"Free Software, The Environment, Social Welfare, and the Digital Divide"
flyer[3] (PDF) to help promote the event
James will recount the path ACCRC has taken as it's grown in the last
five years to reclaim and reuse computers, peripherals, and other
electronic devices people donate. In general, ACCRC gives computers
to individuals and worthy organizations without charge or strings.
ACCRC uses Linux on the systems it gives away and has developed quite
a bit of expertise in installing various Linux distros on various
(old) hardware.
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Planning to come to BALUG meeting? Please e-mail us a note at:
rsvp(a)balug.org
indicating meeting date and if more than just yourself the number of
folks you're RSVPing for, etc.
See also: http://www.balug.org/#RSVP[4]
Thank you for RSVPing if you're planning to attend.
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Door prizes[6]! Yes, we have at least the following for door prizes:
_Pro Oracle Database 10g RAC on LINUX_ ISBN: 1-59059-524-6
_Practices of an Agile Developer_ ISBN: 0-9745140-8-X
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Other upcoming BALUG meetings
We also have quite a lineup of speakers/presentations for BALUG
meetings. Not only do we have James Burgett, ACCRC[2] as noted above,
but we also have the following lined up for the months ahead - be sure
to check out our website http://www.balug.org/[1] for more details and
the latest updates. If you're not already subscribed to the BALUG
"announce" list[5], be sure to subscribe to be notified of these and
future announcements.
2007-12 (no meeting in December this year)
2008-01-15 Eric S. Raymond
2008-02-19 Bruce Perens
2008-03-18 (TBD)
2008-04-15 Eric Allman
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references:
1. http://www.balug.org/
2. http://www.accrc.org/
3. http://www.balug.org/flyers/2007-11-12.pdf
4. http://www.balug.org/#RSVP
5. http://www.new.balug.org/#Lists
door prizes (past and coming up):
6. http://lists.balug.org/pipermail/balug-admin-balug.org/2007-August/000401.h…
meeting time, location, and lots of other great BALUG information:
Bay Area Linux Users Group (BALUG) http://www.balug.org/
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